Malaysia's EV charging network feels like a mess... | Let's Talk About #92 - YouTube
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Hello everybody, this is me, I'm in and that's Rory and this is a special edition of Let's Talk About. Because in this edition of Let's Talk About, we're going to talk about what it's like to live with an EV vehicle in Malaysia. So Rory has been reviewing or have been driving the Hyundai Kona EV Max, right, the Max version? The EV Max, yes. And he has clocked in about 1000 kilometers on the Hyundai.
大家好，这是我，我在这里，还有罗里，这是一期特别版的《让我们谈谈吧》。因为在这期节目中，我们要谈的是在马来西亚生活中使用电动汽车的感受。罗里一直在评测或者说一直在驾驶现代科纳EV Max，对吧，是Max版本的EV吗？是的，EV Max版本。他已经在这辆现代车上行驶了大约1000公里了。
And we've been talking about EVs in Soshinja for a couple of episodes already. So the first thing is about whether the government is providing enough of an incentive of a framework to allow for the mass adoption of EV vehicles in the country. And then the next one is we talked about what EV vehicle, what is the best EV vehicle to get in Malaysia because right after the announcement, we see a deluge of EV vehicles coming into the country.
我们在Soshinja已经连续几集讨论过电动车。首先是关于政府是否提供了足够的激励措施或框架，以促进电动车在该国的大规模普及。接下来我们谈到了在马来西亚选择最佳的电动车型，因为在政策宣布后，我们看到大量的电动车涌入该国。
So we have previously, electric vehicles was meant for people who are rich and who can afford two or three other vehicles. So they use the EV vehicle when they feel like they want to show off. We're not sure about these.
所以我们以前认为电动车只是为有钱能够买得起两三辆其他车辆的人而设计的。因此，他们只会在想要炫耀时才使用电动车。但对于这个观点，我们并不确定。
Yeah, we're not sure about these. You know, they want to show like I'm trying to keep them on my patrol. Yeah. Like I'm trying to save the environment here. But now we see that, you know, you can get a full electric vehicle for the price of a normal car. So about like, you know, within the 160 range, all the way to about 700, 800,000 ringgit, you can get an EV. So there's a massive selection.
是的，对于这些我们不太确定。你知道，他们想要展示我正在尽力让他们留在我的巡逻中。是的，就像我在试图拯救环境一样。但是现在我们看到，你可以以正常汽车的价格买到一辆全电动车。所以在大约16万马来西亚林吉特到70到80万林吉特的范围内，你都能买到一辆电动车。所以选择非常丰富。
And previously, electric vehicles had this problem with range. But now the modern electric vehicles that you get in Malaysia have at least about 300 kilometers on a single charge. On top of that, we also see an increase or, you know, we see more and more charging stations around.
以前，电动车的里程问题是存在的。但是现在，你在马来西亚能买到的现代电动车至少能够在一次充电中行驶约300公里。除此之外，我们还发现充电站的数量越来越多。
Now the question is, what is it like, what do you need to transition from a petrol car or internal combustion engine car to a electric vehicle? Because people don't have the, I mean, almost everybody, like majority people don't have the context of like, okay, I know if I need, if I'm buying a car today, I don't even think about a petrol station. I don't even think about like, okay, if I want to drive to Penang, I don't even think about like, okay, where should I stop? It's like, oh, I need to stop for petrol. I just stopped for petrol. Yeah. And people don't know that the experience of owning an EV is not the same. We talked about, you know, this just before we started this show, and you mentioned that there's like a spectrum, right?
现在的问题是，过渡从汽油车或内燃机车转向电动汽车需要什么？因为人们不具备这方面的背景知识，绝大多数人都不会考虑到像汽油加油站这样的事情。比如，如果我今天要买一辆汽车，我不会考虑到汽油站这个问题。我也不会考虑到，如果我想开车去槟城，我在哪里应该停下来。对我来说，只要停下来加油就可以了。人们不知道拥有一辆电动车的体验是不一样的。我们之前在节目开始前就谈到过，你提到了一个光谱的概念，对吧？
Yeah. Of people who are like, okay, you know, it's going to be fine. I'm going to get like a Tesla or a car that has 400 kilo meter range. Yeah. And it's going to be fine because I'm just going to use it on a tower. And then there's going to be the other end of the spectrum is like, oh no, where do I charge? What do I do? Yeah. It's like, oh, it's impossible to charge, right? Yeah. Because you have the two, the two, the two mindsets is one is like, it's not a, it's not a big deal. Yes. You know, I'll plug in at home. Yes. I'll go to the office and plug in. Whereas the other one is like, oh, it's impossible. Oh, there's no enough charges. Yes. But through our experience, I think the truth.
是的。有一些人会说，没事的，我要买一辆特斯拉或者一辆续航里程为400公里的汽车。没问题，因为我只会在家里充电，然后在充电站充电。而另一些人则会担心，哪里能充电？怎么办呢？他们觉得充电很困难。这两种心态不同，一种觉得没什么大不了的，可以在家里和办公室充电。而另一种觉得充电不可能，没有足够的充电桩。但根据我们的经验，真相是……
It's like somewhere in the middle. It is in the middle. Yeah. And then it is in the middle and then at the front and at the back. Like it is, it, I mean, it's like a, it's like a superposition where it's not here, not there, not in the middle because when you talk about charging, when you talk about charging, people think like it's charging a phone. Ah. Okay. So it's, it's more like changing a phone where it's either a USB C or lightning because it's only Android and iPhone, right? Right.
这就像是在中间的某个地方。它是在中间的。是的。然后它就在中间，然后在前面和后面。就像它是，它，我的意思是，它就像是一个叠加状态，不在这里，不在那里，也不在中间，因为当你谈论充电时，人们会认为是给手机充电。啊。好的。所以更像是给手机换接口，要么是USB C接口，要么是Lightning接口，因为只有安卓和苹果手机对吧？对的。
I think owning a electrical vehicle and people think that, oh, you know, I just, it's the same plug point everywhere. I'll get the same power. That's, you know, different in terms of the charger, cable and whatever. Right. But I think owning an electrical vehicle in terms of the charging experience is like owning a laptop. A bit. Because you have, you have to contend with different standards. Yeah. Yes.
我认为拥有一辆电动汽车，人们会认为，哦，你知道的，到处都是同样的插头。我会得到同样的动力。但实际上，充电的方式不同，充电器、电缆之类的事情都不一样。对。但是我认为在充电体验方面拥有一辆电动汽车有点像拥有一台笔记本电脑。因为你必须应对不同的标准。是的。是的。
Different heads. And a lot of people don't know that. Yeah. I think you make a very good point in, in, in that, like you said, like people are seeing a lot of charges come out, right? And then, um, it's like, Oh, yeah, maybe I could make this transition, right? Like the, the shopping mall I go to has a charger. I, I can plug in at home. I've got a trip in plug at home. Yes. But then what, uh, people might not realize and what I didn't realize at first, even though I'm sort of like, I have been keeping up with the EVs, uh, through Alex and, and through the other people at, at certain chart, right? But I didn't realize it's just how different all the charging stations are. And if you want to make the transition into full EV, not, not P have plug in hybrid with battery engine, uh, nonsense, if you want to go full electric, yeah, there is like a minimum that you need to, to have.
不同的充电头。很多人并不知道这一点。是的。你提到的一点非常好，就是像你说的，人们会看到很多充电设备出现，对吧？然后，嗯，就好像，哦，也许我可以进行转变，对吧？我去的购物中心有充电器。我家里可以插上充电器。是的。但是，人们可能没有意识到，我起初也没有意识到，尽管我一直在通过Alex和其他在特定图表中的人了解电动车，但我没有意识到所有充电站是多么不同。如果你想完全转向纯电动，而不是混动汽车，那么是有一些必要设备的。
So, and, and by minimum, I mean, like the speed of the charging has to be a minimum. And that minimum for me, in my experience was about 20, you need to find like a 20 to kilowatt charger. Okay. Before we go into the full on like technicality of this, like 22 kilowatt. Okay. Okay. And, and, and whatever, all the different basically the point is not all chargers are the same. Yeah. Right. It's like petrol station, you pull in petrol, you pull in, uh, you don't have to be shared with different, uh, nozzles. Yeah. Uh, you just need to choose, you just need to choose 95, 97, 100. Yeah. Diesel. So as long as you don't put diesel in, you can even mix the rest. Right. So, again, we call mix octane fuel. Yes. Uh, and okay. So don't do that. Okay.
所以，而且，最低要求是指充电速度必须达到最低限度。根据我的经验，最低限度大约是20，你需要找到一个20千瓦的充电器。在我们深入讨论技术细节之前，比如22千瓦，总之不同的充电器并非都一样。就像加油站，你加汽油的时候不需要共用不同的喷嘴，你只需要选择95、97、100，还是柴油。只要你不加柴油，其它的你甚至可以混合使用。我们称之为混合辛烷值燃料。所以，不要这样做。
So tell me about this, this experience. You, we, we went on a road trip, uh, from Kuala Lumpur, all the way up to Penang. Yeah. And you were, I think all the time in the corner, uh, electric, what were your first impressions of driving a full electric vehicle? Okay. The car, the car itself. So we take out for now, they got charging like, cause the first experience, the first day it was driving the car, right? It was like, I get what the hype is about. You know, I get the electric, I've seen the videos of Tesla's, you know, they're on the road and then they're like, Oh, I'll put my, my mother or whoever next to me now, Florida, but I don't know. What's the surprising? I'm, please, my, my weekend.
告诉我这个经历，这个经历。我们从吉隆坡一路开车去槟城，对吧。你一直坐在角落里，你对开电动车的第一印象是什么？好的。车子本身怎么样？我们先不谈充电的问题，因为第一次体验是开车，对吧？就像我明白为什么有人炒作电动车。我看过特斯拉的视频，他们在路上行驶，然后他们就像：“哦，我把我妈妈或其他人放在我旁边，然后飞驰起来。”但我不太确定，真的那么让人惊讶吗？希望我的周末愉快。
But then when I got into the corner and like just that first acceleration out of the corner, oh, the, the, the power is like, it's so unlike a car where it doesn't build. It's just there, there, 100% all of it is there. And, and I feel like I was not prepared for that. It, it drove sort of like, um, like a, like a CVT gearbox car, but not crap, you know, like a good, like the power is like CVT is the perfect gearbox. Cause you always in a pocket, I don't know who says that, but I don't like CVT gearbox. But the CVT is that we actually drive that terrible, that terrible in theory, it makes sense. But no, what it should feel like is like the EV, right? It's always on. So driving that, that was really, really fun. Even though it's like, it looks like an unassuming car, but the power like acceleration wise is unmatched.
但是当我驶入弯道，然后从那个弯道加速出来的那一刹那，哦，那个，那个，那个动力就像，它和汽车不同，它不会逐渐积累，它只是在那里，全部100%都在那里。而且，我觉得我对此毫无准备。它驾驶起来有点像，嗯，像一辆无级变速器汽车，但不是垃圾，你懂的，像那种动力感觉就像无级变速器是完美的变速器。因为你总是处于一个理想状态，我不知道谁说的，但我不喜欢无级变速器。但我实际上开过的无级变速器并不那么糟糕，从理论上讲它是有意义的。但是不，它应该有一种感觉就像电动汽车一样，它总是在工作。所以驾驶它真的非常有趣。尽管它看起来像一辆普通的车，但是从加速的角度来看，它的动力无与伦比。
Okay. Which, which, which I had like a brief experience driving the corner. And, yeah, I agree completely with your experience. So I had like a brief experience with the corner EV. We were doing the zero to under acceleration test. And it's, it's addictive. And it's fun. Yeah. And you get used to how, how quiet a car, an electric car is and how smooth an electric car is. Yeah. And how convenient it is. I can totally see that it's the future. But is there a but? The but, okay. Wait. So the but is batteries are heavy. Batteries are really heavy. Okay. I think the corner electrical vehicle is not the car that we use. It wasn't designed for what we used it for. Yeah. I agree. But, but, but, No, for heaning, because it's, it's deceptive in the way that it accelerates like a sports car. But it's not right. It's like nothing. Yeah. And it's, it's accelerates so insanely quickly that in your brain it's just like, oh, this is performance. Yeah. But it's not. So don't, don't think of it as a performance vehicle, because it's definitely not. And you know, there'll be more details of this in our full review. Of course. But yeah, at the end of the day, it's, it is still, you know, a town around town vehicle. It's a family little cross. I mean, I think it's for like young people. Yeah. Lesser of a family is like a high hedge back. It's like, ah, yeah, yeah. The size of a HRV. Yes. But without the floor space. Yeah. Unfortunately, because the batteries are low and under the seats, you don't get a lot of space in the back. I think my question, my question to you is like, what's the butt like around town?
好的。我有一个简短的开车经验，绕过拐角。是的，我完全同意你的经验。所以，我和Corner EV有一个简短的体验。我们正在进行加速度为零到的测试。它很令人上瘾，也很有趣。是的。你会习惯电动汽车的安静和平稳。是的，它也非常方便。我完全可以看到这就是未来。但是还有一个问题吗？嗯，问题是电池很重。电池真的很重。我认为Corner电动车并不适合我们使用。它并不是为我们用它的原因而设计的。是的，我同意。但是，对于加速来说，它是欺骗性的，因为它的加速就像一辆跑车。但这不对。它就像没有什么一样。是的，它的加速度非常快，以至于你的大脑认为这是性能。但其实不是。所以不要把它当作一辆性能车，因为它绝对不是。当然，在我们的详细评论中会有更多细节。当然。但是，最后，它仍然是一辆适合在城里行驶的车辆。它是一个家庭小型SUV。我认为它适合年轻人。是的。对于家庭来说，它并不是像一个高分层房子那样大。它就像是HRV一样大小。是的，但没有地板空间。不幸的是，因为电池低于座椅下方，后座空间不多。我的问题是，这款车在城市里的缺点是什么？
I think they should, okay, we'll talk about like, range anxiety first. Because I remember telling you like, oh, I'm quite anxious about like having just 400. Yeah. And I was in my range and then not knowing where I need to charge next. Not knowing how long you have to wait before you can move another 400. Yeah. So that's kind of like the impetus that had that, that, that led us down this path of driving 1000 kilometers in an EV vehicle to find out. It was an interesting experience for me also because it was like, I generally don't have battery anxiety. Like I run my phones down until they're dead all the time. Partly because we, when we review phones, that's how I, I'll be the battery. So I was curious to find out if like that would apply for cars. And to a certain extent, yes, I, I wasn't that concerned with the range. But it was frus, what was more frustrating was the unknown factor of charging the car. And, and I guess we can, we can jump right into that.
我认为他们应该，好吧，我们先来谈谈续航焦虑。因为我记得告诉过你，我对只有400公里续航感到很焦虑。是的。当我续航还有余量时，不知道下一次充电的地方。也不知道还需要等多久才能再行驶400公里。是的，这就是让我们决定驾驶1000公里的电动车测试的原因。这对我来说也是一次有趣的经历，因为我通常不会担心电池。我总是使用手机直到它们彻底没电。部分原因是因为我们测试手机时，我需要成为电池。我很好奇是否适用于汽车。在某种程度上，是的，我并不太担心续航里程。但更令人沮丧的是充电的未知因素。我想我们可以直接讨论这个问题。
Okay. Before, before we start that, start that, right? So the assumption was when we went down this, when we, when we went on this trip, right? So we were like, okay, we're going to test an EV vehicle and see like how, how would we use it as Malaysian drivers? Right? You mentioned people like to drive. We like to drive. We like to go on weekend trips. Yeah, nice roads. Yeah. And we, we maybe want to go down to, um, Penang or go, sorry, go up to Penang or go, go, go down to Malacca. And we, in a petro vehicle, you don't have to think about there's no plan or preparation other than the route itself. Right.
好的。在我们开始之前，先说一下。所以我们的假设是，当我们进行这次旅行时，我们会测试一辆电动汽车，并看看马来西亚的司机会如何使用它。你提到人们喜欢开车。我们喜欢开车。我们喜欢周末出游。是啊，好的路。我们可能想去槟城或者去马六甲。而在使用传统汽油车时，除了路线本身之外，不需要考虑其他计划或准备。
With EV vehicle. So we, we said like, okay, it's going to be a thousand kilometers. We're going to drive all the way up to Penang and we buffered ourselves. Okay. We might not be able to make it all the way to Penang. We're going to start with people. Yeah. All this will be in our review. In your, in your review, then we assume that, okay, all we need to do was just find charging stations. Yeah. And we're fine. Correct. Then we start the journey.
随着电动车的出现，我们说，好吧，它能行驶一千公里。我们打算一路开到槟城，并给自己留了余地。好吧，也许我们无法一直开到槟城，我们会在半路上找人帮忙。是的，这一切都会包含在我们的评论中。在你的评论中，我们假设，好吧，我们所要做的就是找到充电站就可以了。是的，我们没问题。然后我们开始旅程。
Then what did you find out?
然后你发现了什么？
So, okay. So first things first, when we talk about the route, right? So the route was also specifically designed to be charger friendly. We won the original route was it also brought us on the East Coast, which we suspect would have nice views as well. But the East Coast doesn't have charging stations. Many if any charges that we could find on our app. And that was quite disappointing. So we're like, okay, we'll keep it on the West Coast. We'll stop by major cities or evolve major city halfway and then we'll reach Penang and then we go and do that, right? So I was like, okay, cool. That's settled. The thing I didn't expect to run into problems with was charging even in KL.
所以，好吧。首先，当我们谈论路线时，对吧？所以这条路线也是特别设计成方便充电的。我们最初的路线是经过东海岸的，我们觉得那里的景色也很美。但是东海岸没有充电站。我们在我们的应用程序上找到的充电站非常少，甚至没有。这让我们非常失望。所以我们决定，好吧，我们就在西海岸行驶。我们会在一些大城市或者是中途的大城市停留，然后我们会到达槟城，然后我们就可以充电了，对吧？所以我就说，好吧，没问题，这个安排就定了。我没想到可能会在吉隆坡充电时遇到问题。
So the thing that you need to know about charging buying an electric vehicle, the first thing that you need actually isn't money to buy the electric vehicle. You need to download the apps. You need to download all the apps. There are apps. Okay. Yes. I have three charging apps in my phone and I'm not even like a high-duty. So here's the charging stations or like the charging infrastructure is very fragmented. It feels very fragmented to me, right? Again, qualify one data point first time. No, no, I agree. It's fragmented because if, again, if the energy is like mobile phones and that's all right. So you assume that, okay, I have a plug. A three-plane plug point is a three-plane plug point. A USB-C is a USB-C, a lightning is a lightning. So as long as I can get my car to a plug point and I can plug in my charger and charge it and I'm good. So if you don't do your research, so let's say if you're like a newbie and or you're not technically inclined and you got a car or the car comes with that type one charger. Type two. No, the type one. Oh, yeah. Type one. The one that goes into directly into a three-plane plug and then directly into your car. As long as I can do that, I should be fine. I can drive within the range. So I can have like maybe a 50-kilometer buffer, so let's say if the car can do 400. I can maybe go all the way up to PNang. Find my hotel or find my Airbnb. Just plug it there and it will charge.
所以，关于购买电动汽车充电的事情，你需要知道的第一件事实际上不是购买电动汽车所需要的资金。你需要下载应用程序。你需要下载所有的应用程序。有很多应用程序。好的。是的。我的手机上有三个充电应用程序，即使我并不是一个高频使用者。所以这里的充电站或充电基础设施是非常分散的。对我来说，它感觉非常分散，对吗？再次强调一点，这是一个数据点的经验。不，不，我同意。它是分散的，因为如果能源就像手机一样，那就没问题了。所以你会认为，好吧，我有一个插座。一个三插座是一个三插座。一个USB-C是一个USB-C，一个Lightning是一个Lightning。只要我能把我的车接到插座上，插上充电器充电，我就好了。所以如果你不做功课，比如说你是个新手，或者你不懂技术，你买了一辆汽车，或者车带了那种type one的充电器。type two。不，是type one。哦，是的。type one。直接插入一个三插座，然后直接连接到你的汽车。只要我能这样做，我就应该没问题。我可以在续航范围内开车。所以我可以有一个大概50公里的缓冲区，比如说车可以做到400公里。我可能可以一路开到槟城。在那里找到我的酒店或找到我的民宿。只要把车插在那里就能充电。
Which is actually how we started. That was the first time. Yes, that was the first time I was charging the Airbnb. And then, so then after that, when it was time to charge the car, so I got it on the first day, I didn't charge it because 400 came range. Whatever. I'm good. 400 in KL, that takes about a week. Yes, easily. So then the next day, after our shoot, I was like, okay, maybe before we go for a shoot, let me plug it into my house. Right? Because my house, they are dedicated charging base. The management allows you to charge for four hours for free, but it's four hours in the middle. So I'm like, okay, I'll go and charge this morning. This was like 10 a.m. We had a shoot, a call time 4 p.m. So I was like, okay, I'll plug in there's plenty of time.
这实际上是我们开始的方式。那是第一次。是的，那是我第一次给Airbnb充电。然后，当该充电车时，我在第一天没给它充电，因为它有400公里的续航里程。无论如何，我都没问题。在吉隆坡，400公里可以开上一周，很容易。然后第二天，在我们完成拍摄后，我想，好吧，也许在我们出去拍摄之前，让我把它插到家里充电。对吗？因为我家有专用的充电基地，物业允许你免费充电四小时，但是充电时间在中午。所以我就想，好吧，我早上去充电。那时大约是上午10点。我们有一个拍摄，开始时间是下午4点。所以我想，好吧，我插进去后还有很多时间。
I was like, okay, I'll charge for hours no problem. I plugged it in. I went over there, I parked in, they got open the box for me because security, he opened right. And it was a trip in. Oh, no. Trippin socket. I was like, okay, how bad could it be? Okay, okay.
我当时想着，“好吧，我可以充电几个小时没问题。”我插上了电源。我过去找了个停车位，他们为了安全起见帮我打开了插座盒子，他打开了。结果却让我感到糟糕透了。哎呀，电插头不对。我当时就想，好吧，可能不会太糟糕吧？好吧，好吧。
So I was in a long time. We shouldn't put the spoiler. I shouldn't say, oh no. Okay, trippin. Yeah, you can charge. You can charge. Yeah. So, but the people who own EVs, they know already. So I plugged it in and I plugged it into the car and the output I was getting was 1.5 to kilowatts, which is 1.2 kilowatts, 4 contacts, right? 1.2 kilowatts. And the battery is 64 kilowatts. So 1.2 kilowatts per hour. All right. So do the math. So essentially, okay, the charging that I would have gotten from that plug is like barely enough to get me back from the charging bay to my bucket.
所以我等了很长时间。我们不应该泄露剧情。我不应该说，哦不。好吧，有点紧张。是的，你可以充电。你可以充电。是的。但是电动汽车的主人已经知道了。所以我插上插头，插到车上的输出是1.5千瓦，也就是1.2千瓦，四个接点，对吧？1.2千瓦。电池容量是64千瓦。所以每小时充电量是1.2千瓦。好了，做个计算。所以本来从那个插座充上的电几乎够我从充电站开回家。
Like, I plugged it in for the four hours. Again, I think 1%. Like that's it. It was, it was terrible. So I was like, oh, this is going to be a problem. So that's why I downloaded the apps. Yeah, that's why I think Tesla's have stopped giving you the type 1 charges because they're practically useless. It's going to take, so on the corner's calculation, it's going to take about what? 30 hours? 27 hours, 40 minutes from 40, 48%. 200. 200. That's, that renders the car unusable for what? Two days? Basically, yeah. Because you just have to charge it. Then you talk about, okay, why don't we trickle charge it? Why not I come back from work, I'll charge it with the world plug, not world plug, with the type 1 charge in the trip in, and then it's going to work? No, it's, it's, what's the work I'm looking for? It's diminishing return. Yeah. It takes longer for you to charge than for you to, it takes longer for you to charge. Correct. Especially if you're in my case in an apartment where you have a limit, so you can't leave it overnight or so. So, so yeah, four hours, right? Yeah. Some people think, yeah, four hours is more enough. I can charge my phone two times over in four hours. Yeah. But it's not. It's not. And then, and then the complication is if you are living in an apartment, you can't own an EV charger. You can't own an EV car. If it's an old apartment.
翻译成中文：就像，我插入电源四个小时。我感觉只有1%。就是这样。太可怕了。所以我想，这会成为一个问题。这就是为什么我下载了这些应用的原因。对，这就是为什么我认为特斯拉不再提供Type 1充电器了，因为它们几乎没用。要花多长时间？根据计算，大概需要多久？30个小时？27个小时40分钟，从48%充到200%。这会使车子在接下来的两天内无法使用了吧？基本上是的。因为你不得不等待它充电。然后你说，为什么不用慢充呢？为什么我下班回来，用Type 1充电器充电，然后它就能工作了？不，这是递减效应。是的。充电需要花费更多时间，特别是像我这样住在公寓里，有使用限制的情况下，无法过夜。所以，四个小时，对吧？是的。有些人认为，四个小时足够了。我可以在四个小时内充满手机两次。是的。但事实并非如此。而且，问题的复杂性是，如果你住在公寓里，你无法拥有一个电动车充电器。如果是旧公寓的话。
And then, so if you're, if you live in an apartment, then you have to think about like, where can I charge? Yeah. So it completely changes your ownership habit because I now can't go to any patrol session. I now have to go to the malls that have the charges. Okay. Well, let's talk about the malls that have the charges. And then, yes. So the malls that have the charges. So after I tried charging at home, didn't work, I was just like, it's okay. 48%. That's like 250 Kmary, something like that. Okay. More than enough for shoots. So we went for the shoot after the shoot. Okay. I searched on the app. So I used the first app I used was the Charge EV app because Charge EV is the biggest on their website. They say they're the biggest charging station provider. And I believe that my most of the things I see are Charge EV.
然后，如果你住在公寓里，你就需要考虑到哪里可以充电了。是的，所以这完全改变了你对车辆的所有权习惯，因为现在我不能随便去加油站了，我现在必须去有充电设备的商场。好的，让我们来谈谈那些有充电设备的商场。然后，是的，有充电设备的商场。所以在我在家尝试充电失败后，我就觉得没关系，百分之四十八的电量足够了，大约是250千瓦。好的，足够使用了。所以我们在拍摄之后去充电。好的，我在应用上搜索了一下。我使用的第一个应用是Charge EV，因为Charge EV是最大的充电站提供商。他们在他们的网站上说自己是最大的充电站提供商，而我见到的大部分充电设备也是Charge EV的。
So I used the app and the app is terrible, by the way. It's a horrible app. It's very, very, like it's very slow for starters. Sometimes you open a map and there's just no charging stations for whatever reason. And it's frustrating to do that. And sometimes the information isn't even accurate. So in this case, when I went after our shoot, we were like, okay, we'll go to paradigm mall to have dinner and then we'll continue. So while you're having dinner, you plan to charge your car. Yes. Because I go to paradigm mall a lot and I see, wow, charging stations. Yeah. And on the app, it says it's a 22 kilowatt charger, which is enough. That's enough. The corner supports 11 kilowatt AC. So that's enough. So just for context, 22 kilowatts is like kind of like the sweet spot. You can pull that kind of power from your house. If you install like a wall charger, you can. And a lot of electrical support either 11 or 22 kilowatts. And with that, you can charge your car within five from zero to 100% within five to six hours. So because the corner pulls 11, yeah, about six hours. But I wouldn't say it's a sweet spot. I would say that's the minimum. I mean, it's a sweet spot for me because you can't pull any more power if you're charging at home. Yeah. So even the problem.
所以我使用了这个应用，顺便说一下，这个应用真的很糟糕。它太可怕了。首先它非常、非常慢。有时候你打开地图，却找不到充电站，原因不明。这真的很令人沮丧。而且有时候提供的信息甚至是错误的。所以在这种情况下，当我们在拍摄之后，我们想去帕拉达姆购物中心吃晚餐，然后继续行程。所以当你吃饭的时候，你计划给你的车充电。是的。因为我经常去帕拉达姆购物中心，我发现那里有充电站。是的。而且应用上显示是22千瓦的充电桩，这是够用的。这是够用的。帕拉达姆购物中心支持11千瓦的交流充电。所以这够用了。为了了解背景，22千瓦是一种比较理想的功率。如果你在家里安装了墙式充电器，你可以得到那样的功率。很多电力设备支持11或22千瓦。有了这个，你可以在五到六小时内将你的车从零充到百分之百。因为帕拉达姆购物中心只能提供11千瓦的功率，所以大约需要六个小时。但我不能说这是理想的情况。我只能说这是最低要求。因为在家里充电的话，你无法取得更多的功率。是的，这也是个问题。
Okay. So I also, okay, I pulled up to paradigm more. Where's the charger? Where's the charging be? No signage. Nothing. So if you're not unfamiliar paradigm, it doesn't tell you like it doesn't this floor, this bay, I couldn't find it. Yeah. So so it was a paradigm most parking split into two. So you have rooftop parking? Yes. And basically level and basement. Yes. Okay. So where is it? I had to stop at the side of the road in Google. I was like, oh, okay, it's in basement too. Okay. All right, we'll go basement. You lot see. All right.
好的。所以我也开到了范例。充电器在哪里？充电的地方在哪里？没有任何标识。没有任何说明。所以如果你对范例不熟悉的话，它不会告诉你是哪个楼层，哪个停车位，我找不到它。是的。空车库被分成了两部分。你们有顶层停车场吗？是的。还有地下层。好的。那么它在哪里？我不得不停在路边查Google。噢，好的，它在地下层。好的，好的。我们去地下层。你们看着办吧。
So I went down and I pulled up, I found the charger. The charging be signed by the way. It's like this big one. And isn't it like all blue ways? I mean, EV is all blue. But it's in like quite a dark corner of the wall. So it becomes gray. So it becomes gray. Yeah, it becomes hard to tell. But not that I could see the bay anyway, because when I pulled up to the supposedly train to kill a white charger, there were two plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. Okay. No spoiler, but then plug-in hybrid vehicles. Actually, vehicles too, right? It's like plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. It's true. What is the difference for our listeners and viewers? All right.
所以我下去找到了充电器。充电器是有标识的。它是一种很大的充电器。而且不是都是蓝色吗？我是说，电动车都是蓝色的。但是它在墙角的地方比较昏暗，所以看起来变成了灰色。是的，它变得很难辨认。但是我也无法看到充电宝，因为当我停在那个据说有白色充电器的位置时，居然有两辆插电式混合动力电动车。对的，两辆插电式混合动力车。嗯。事实上，也是车对吧？就像插电式混合动力电动车一样。那么对于我们的听众和观众来说有什么不同呢？好吧。
So there's like you have your petropower cast. Okay. Because, you know, I'm asking this question because, you know, I could be a pebona. I have the right to charge. I have a battery too. What's wrong with that? Why can't I do that? Okay. The reason is because if you are on a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, if you run off electricity, you can still go home. It's a hybrid. It will work off your engine. You have an engine. Yes. So the electric seat, electricity and the motor is secondary. Correct. It's not the primary driving machinery in the car. Yes. You have a backup. Is there for efficiency to improve your mileage? Yes. Not to replace your veteran. Yes. In fact, the motor and the electric componentry is the backup. For the engine. Basically, yeah. In an electric vehicle. If I run off electricity, I'm stuck there. There's no backup. I'm pushing. Like it's going to be Rory power now, you know? Yeah. How many kilowatts is that? Not enough.
所以你有你的石油动力演员阵容。好的。因为你知道，我问这个问题是因为，你知道，我可能是一个帕波娜。我有权收费。我也有一个电池。这有什么问题？为什么我不能这样做？好的。原因是，如果你使用插电混合动力电动汽车，如果你依靠电力运行，你仍然可以回家。它是一种混合动力车。它会依靠你的发动机来工作。你有一个发动机。没错。所以电动座椅、电力和电动机都是次要的。对。它们不是汽车中主要的驱动机械。是的。你有一个备用的发动机，它存在是为了提高燃油效率。是的。而不是替代你的石油发动机。是的。事实上，电动机和电力部件是备用的，为发动机提供支持。基本上是的。在纯电动汽车中，如果我依靠电力运行，我就会被困在那里。没有备用。我只能推车。就像是罗里的动力一样，你知道吗？是的。这有多少千瓦？不够。
So what happened after that was when I found the two plug-in hybrid vehicles, I had to go and park somewhere else and hope and pray that one of them finishes charging and leaves so I can go and charge. Which they did. Half an hour later, one of the vehicles left and I could go pull up. I pull up a home or left to move the car. I don't know. I think left for a home. I don't think they will leave to move the car. Okay. That is a very important distinction I mentioned because it's another problem with EV mentality in Malaysia. Yes. I'm not sure what it is, because I don't want to single out my country. I love my country. I hate it when people say, oh, Malaysian people like this. Because sometimes everybody's like that. Americans are like that. Yeah. Wherever, you know, human nature is human nature.
那之后发生的事情是，当我找到两辆插电式混动车时，我不得不去另一个地方停车，并希望其中一辆充电完成后离开，这样我就可以去充电了。而它们确实如此做了。半小时后，其中一辆车离开了，我就可以把车开到那里充电。我停下车，下车走了或者车跑了，我不知道。我认为是回家了，我不认为他们离开去移车了。这是我提到的一个非常重要的区别，因为这是马来西亚电动汽车心态的另一个问题。是的。我不确定是什么原因，因为我不想单独指责我的国家。我热爱我的国家。我讨厌当人们说：“哦，马来西亚人就是这样”。因为有时每个人都会这样。美国人也会这样。是的，无论身处何地，人性就是人性。
So it's not the Malaysian mentality, but it is the mentality in terms of like, okay, we don't know how to do this. Because an electric vehicle to a lot of people, even the pair of owners and the bebs owner, the bebs owners, and electric vehicles and electric vehicles. Yeah. It has a battery. It has, it needs electricity to power it up. Yeah. Okay. So one feller went home or moved the car. Okay. And then I outside. Okay. I pulled up into the slot. And I plugged in the car and I only got 3.5 kilowatts. So do the math. Do the math. Okay. Basically the car told me that it would take 12 plus hours from that. What was it? I think it was 30% to charge full. Some people shop for 12 hours. Yeah. So I was like, oh, great. So wait, was it? No, no, it was like 56%. So it was about 12 hours from 56%. I remember because when I plugged it in and when I had dinner, it was like an hourly time after that charge, I gave my annual set 60%. So I gave 4% in that one hour, just barely enough to get me halfway home. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So that was a, that was an experience. Okay. The, the, the lesson here is for this, for this part of this 1000 kilo meter. Okay. We tried to try to not make it. Not small to much for so long. I mean, I don't want to extend this show for over now. True, true, true. So keep it too. Like maybe half an hour, 45, 45 minutes, but, but keeping it as informative as possible, because this is important learning experiences that you are upcoming or aspiring, uh, EV or best owners, uh, battery electric battery powered electric vehicles. That's the water. That's the engine drives, engine drives the battery. Is it or charges the battery? Is it that one? No, no, Beth is the battery drives. Oh, it's just EV la.
所以这不是马来西亚人的心态问题，而是关于我们不知道如何做这个的心态问题。对于很多人来说，包括电动车和Bebs的所有者，电动车只是一辆需要电池来充电的车子而已。有一个人回家或者把车开走了，然后我停在了车位上。我给车充电，但只得到了3.5千瓦。所以你算一下吧，基本上车告诉我要充满电还需要12个小时。有些人购物花费了12个小时呢。所以我当时就想，哦，太好了。等等，是吗？不，不，充电时电量是56%。大约需要12个小时从56%充到满电。我还记得，因为当我插上电源然后吃晚饭的时候，过了一个小时电量才增加了4%，刚好足够让我开车回家一半的路程。哇，真是个经历啊。这个故事告诉我们，在这1000公里的路程中，我们要尽量避免长时间充电。我不想让这个节目超过现在的时间。是的，是的，真的。所以保持在半小时或45分钟左右的时间，但尽可能提供有信息量的内容，因为这是对即将成为或渴望成为电动汽车或Bebs所有者的重要学习经验。电池是驱动发动机的，还是用来给电池充电的？是哪个？不是，发动机是由电池驱动的。哦，就是电动车啦。
Ah, oh, officially it's called Beth battery powered electric vehicle. Okay. So, uh, my, my, when I was looking at the charging points, uh, in malls, uh, in paradigm, I think, uh, in the curve that's, you know, they always place it in the central location or in the convenient location. Yeah. It looks like a reserve lot. Yeah. It looks like, oh, I'm privileged. I, I have now an energy regard that I can park here in charge. And it didn't occur to me that as a responsible public citizen, that if I want to share this public infrastructure with other people, that I don't, I can't leave it there for five hours or for how many hours it takes me to do my shopping at IKEA. And it's not a reserve lot for me. It is for me to top up and park somewhere else. Yeah.
啊，噢，官方上叫Beth电池动力电动汽车。好吧。当我在商场里看充电点时，比如在帕拉达姆和the curve，它们总是放在中央位置或便利位置。是的，它看起来像是一个预留的停车位。看起来，噢，我有特权了。我现在有一辆能源车，可以在这里停车充电。我没有意识到，作为一个负责任的公民，如果我想与其他人共享这个公共基础设施，我不能把它停在那里五个小时，或者无论我在宜家购物需要多少时间。这对我来说不是个预留的停车位，而是为了补充能量后再去其他地方停车。
And the way I see it, I don't see us as the society doing that now because the market has been dominated by Pav owners for such a long time for four, five, three, I don't know. And they've seen that as a privilege. They've seen the A.E. I got a Pav slot. I got a charging station that I can. It's like reserved for me. Nobody else can park that. It's for me. It's like a percussive saving environment, right? You know, that's another, that's another argument. And then now we have a flood of EV vehicles coming. I read like Volvo deliver like 20 cars. I Hinder also deliver another like 20 cars. I don't know how many Taycans are there on the road. I don't know how many IXs are there on the road. Also taking into account the Leafs and whatever not. Although those are more rare. The current infrastructure and the current parking lots are not enough. Yeah, woefully unequal. It's not enough. Okay. Okay.
根据我的观察，我认为现在我们并不是一个这样的社会，因为市场已经长期被电动汽车拥有者所主导，可能已经有四五年了，具体我也不知道。他们把这当作一种特权。他们把充电桩看作是“我得到了一个Pav车位，我有一个专门为我保留的充电站，其他人不能停在那里，那是专属于我的。这就好像是为环保做贡献一样，对吧？这也是另一个论点。然而，现在电动汽车数量爆发式增长。我看到沃尔沃已经交付了大约20辆车，Hinder还交付了另外20辆车，我不知道路上有多少Taycan车辆，也不知道有多少IX车辆。还要考虑到尽管这些车辆更罕见，但也有Leaf等车型。然而，当前的基础设施和停车场是不够的，严重不平等，远远不够。
So not enough in two ways, right? If we still continue to think that the charging parking lots in malls are reserved for us to use and for us to park there for however long it takes for us to charge our car. And it's not enough. Even if we change our mindset to say, okay, I'm just going to talk about after two hours, I'm going to take a leaf. It's not enough because quantity wise is just simply not enough. Yeah. And even quality because as much as I experience, you know, this this PHEV people hogging, hogging log using air quotes, the parking lots. Most of the ones in malls that you find are just not fast enough for EVs. Yeah. They are probably just a slightly more powerful tripping socket. The ones usually is 3.7 kilowatts. So that is like about three times faster than your normal tripping, which is nothing. It's not enough for an EV. Like a full EV. You need like, we know we mentioned, right? 22. We need a 22 kilowatt charger. That would be the bare minimum. Because in whatever time you take the shop, right, let's say one hour, a half an hour, if you want to get any meaningful charge, it has to be that fast. Yeah. In my opinion. At least it can take you back. Yeah. Yeah. If you start off at home, you don't end up negative. Yes. Yes. Yes.
所以两方面都不够，对吧？如果我们还继续认为购物中心的充电停车场是供我们使用和停放车辆充电的，时间多久都可以。但这是不够的。即使我们改变心态，说好，在两个小时后我就会离开。这还是不够，因为数量上简直不够。是的，甚至质量上也不行，因为根据我的经验，你知道的，这些插电混合动力车的人占用了停车位。在购物中心找到的充电设施大多数简直不够快。它们可能只是稍微高级一点的三相插座，通常是3.7千瓦。这比普通插座快三倍，可这对于纯电动车来说还是不够。你知道的，我们已经提到过，我们需要一个22千瓦的充电器，那是最低要求。因为无论你购物花费多长时间，比如一个小时或者半个小时，如果想得到任何有意义的充电，就必须要那么快。至少它能把你送回家。是的，如果你从家里出发，就不会电量负数。是的。是的。是的。
But at the same time, the problem with the infra is that and again, we can I don't want to because I see, I mean, I mean, I mean the Facebook groups and all that. Yeah. Facebook group is it's just toxic. Because there's the discussion is not a gauge of what's going on in the public space. I refuse to believe what what's on social media is what's going on in real life. I refuse that. I want to disconnect from that. But we do see people blaming like the infra is not there. There's not enough charges and stuff like that. But my biggest point, my biggest contention is even if the infra is there and this is an ongoing team with the people in this country. I'm not talking about relations, but with the people in this country that we cannot have nice things. Yeah. Because even if there is enough parking lots, enough charges, there will be more cars coming into the market to hog it. Yeah. It's like parking lots. Literally, like you can have nice parking lots. You can have nice parks. You can have nice of things. And people will just come and mess it up. Yeah. With rubbish, with double parking, with hogging, we will we will trip the system is we are good at that. Yeah.
同时，基础设施的问题在于，我们可以看到，我不想看，我是说，我是说，我是说Facebook上的群组等等。是的，Facebook群组非常有毒。因为讨论并不能真实反映公共空间的情况。我拒绝相信社交媒体上的内容就是真实生活中的情况。我希望与之隔离开。但我们确实看到人们责怪基础设施不足、充电设施不够等等。但我最大的观点，我最大的争议是，即使基础设施齐备，这仍然是一个与本国民众持续存在的问题。我不是在谈论关系，而是在谈论这个国家的人民，我们无法拥有美好的事物。是的，即使有足够的停车位、充电设施，也会有更多的车辆进入市场占据它们。就像停车位一样，你可以有漂亮的停车场、美丽的公园、漂亮的一切，但人们只会来搞破坏。他们会乱扔垃圾，乱停车，占用资源，我们擅长这样做。
And it's also like a bit of a love hate relationship for me and PHEV owners, right? Or PHEV vehicles. Because the whole reason why we have so many charges is because there are so many people. Because they were the pioneers. They were the first people. Yeah. They were the they're the reason why you know you'll find it in malls. They're the reason why you find it in some apartments and things. But at the same time, it's like you don't really need to park there for four hours to fill up your double a battery. Yes. And the station with paths, the battery are much smaller. It's not even a quarter of what a full electrical can can achieve. It's like I think even the good ones are like 50 km.
对我来说，与PHEV车主或PHEV车辆之间存在一种爱恨交织的关系，你也是这样认为吗？因为我们有这么多的充电站，原因是因为有这么多人使用PHEV车辆。因为他们是先驱者，他们是最早使用这种车辆的人。是的，他们的存在是你能在商场或某些公寓停车场找到充电站的原因。但同时，你也不需要停留四小时填充你的双A电池。是的，充电站的电池要小得多，甚至不到纯电动车的四分之一。我认为即使是性能好的PHEV车辆，也只能行驶大约50公里。
Yes. And and and if you are a pepperoni, you can use a tripping socket to charge your car. You can overnight. It'll be fully charged. Ready to go. And then by the time you reach a parking lot of battery finish. Because the battery is so small. That's number one. Number two is I'm assuming a lot of the pepperoni is and if you are a pepperoni, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Please feel feel free to put them in the comment section. Right. But I think I am correct on this. You also have you also plug it in at home if you own a landed property. And and we had one of the experience in one of our locations where we went there early in the morning. We were charging at a path station and we were like, you made a comment like who in the world would come to a mall so early. Yeah. Eight a.m. It was an area. It was a pepperoni coming to charge his car at the slot that we used to charge our car. Correct. And we were like, and I was like doing my maths. I was like, I think he like would. So eight a.m. He's probably coming from home. Yeah. So if he's coming from home, that means his car is fully charged. Should be at least. Right. Right. Very likely. Right. So he's coming to work and he's charging it again. Yeah. That to me tells me is just it's just a reason for him to use that lot because he feels that that lot is his because he has the privilege to use that lot. Perhaps yeah. And the bad, the thing is that lot is that was a fast charging lot. 22 kilowatts also. You don't need so fast for. Yeah. And you don't need to for for paths and you don't need to hold it. Yeah. Yeah. You don't. For sure.
是的。而且，如果你是一个意大利辣香肠，你可以使用一个充电插座给你的车充电。你可以过夜充电，它会完全充满电。准备好出发。当你到达停车场时，电池也会耗尽。因为电池太小了。这是第一点。第二点是，我假设很多意大利辣香肠也是这样，如果我说错了，请随意在评论区纠正。对吗？但我认为我是正确的。如果你拥有土地财产，你也可以在家里插上电。我们在一个地方有过这样的经历，我们早上去那里，正在一个过道站点充电，我们评论道，谁会这么早来到商场啊。是的，早上8点，那里是一个区域，有一个意大利辣香肠来到我们用来充电的插座前给他的车充电。是的，我们正在数学算一算，我认为他是从家里来的，所以早上8点，他的车应该已经充满了电。很有可能。对，他是来上班的，然后又充电。是的，这告诉我他只是想使用那个停车位，因为他觉得那个停车位是他的特权。也许是的。而且坏的是，那个停车位是一个快速充电位，22千瓦的插座。对这个车型来说充电速度太快了。是的。这个车型不需要那么快的充电。是的，不需要。
Okay. So I mean, we're running out of time and I think your story is very interesting. You cut through the chase, then after that you go into the highway. So we talked about the hogging, right? Yeah. We talked about like in from and I want to give kudos to like do we give kudos to BMW now or do we give kudos to BMW after you go? I guess we can give kudos to BMW because most of the charges that we find that are available and good are BMW charge now judges. Yes.
好的。我的意思是，我们时间不多了，我觉得你的故事非常有趣。你直奔主题，然后再深入探讨。所以我们谈到了“占道驾驶”，对吧？是的。我们谈到了占道驾驶，我想给宝马一个赞，现在还是在你去之后给宝马一个赞呢？我想我们可以给宝马一个赞，因为我们发现大多数可靠且有效的充电桩都是宝马的充电桩。是的。
Okay. So okay, we'll go to the points, right? So we won't go to Disney's, but we're going to the point is you go on to the highway, you use your app, you try to find charging stations. Yeah. Then you, it's like rolling a dice. Correct. So what can happen? Rolling the dice? What can happen? So the thing is, if, if here's like a quick tip, my favorite app of all the apps that I downloaded is Pluckshare. Okay. So that is like a. That's the crowd source. Crowd source one. Yes. It's like four square for charges. Okay. So that's the reason why I could charge my car before we left, thanks to Pluckshare because they have real world users who leave real world reviews. They even have like tips and tricks and stuff like that for you to do it. So that was great. But when it comes to, to charger availability, that's probably block shares weakness because they can't tell you what the charges in use or if it's in maintenance. Charge EV and JOM charge they can. But not so reliably. But sometimes the thing that I found really funny was that on the charge EV app, they have, they have, they are like, they are, they are keys, right? So you have green available orange occupied. Then there's white and you know what white is unknown. How can you not know? How can this is the one charger in the rest of along with it? How is it unknown? Yeah. Do I like, do I risk it? And then, and then if I show up and it's, and it's, and it's not available, then I'm screwed. I'm spending the night in the rest issue or I'm calling a tow truck. And then there are also those, that even worse, perhaps even worse than the white unknown ones are the green ones that when you show up, it's under maintenance. How can they not know this? Like shouldn't there be power? Like, you know, like, yeah, well there should be something. It comes back to the infra, right? It comes back to, to that.
好的。所以好吧，我们来说重点，对吧？所以我们不会去迪士尼，但我们会去的关键是，你上高速公路，使用你的应用程序，尝试找到充电站。是的。然后你就像掷骰子一样。没错。会发生什么？掷骰子？会发生什么？所以问题是，如果这里有一个快速提示，我下载的所有应用程序中我最喜欢的应用是Pluckshare。好的。那是一个群体分享的应用。对。就像FourSquare一样的充电站。好的。这就是为什么我离开之前可以给我的车充电的原因，多亏了Pluckshare，因为他们有真实世界的用户留下真实的评论。他们甚至还有一些技巧和窍门供你参考。所以这很棒。但是当涉及到充电桩的可用性时，那可能是Pluckshare的弱点，因为他们无法告诉你是不是正在使用或者是否在维护。Charge EV和JOM charge能够做到，只是不够可靠。但有时我发现很有趣的是，在Charge EV的应用程序上，他们有绿色可用，橙色占用，然后还有白色，你知道白色是什么吗？未知。他们怎么可能不知道？这是在其余的充电站中唯一一个，怎么会是未知的？是的。我该冒险吗？然后如果我去了，它没有空闲，那么我就完了，我要在这里过夜，或者打电话给拖车公司。还有更糟糕的情况，比那些未知的白色更糟糕的是那些绿色的，在你到达之后，却正在维修。他们怎么可能不知道这一点？应该有电源吧？你知道的，应该有一些提示。这回又回到了基础设施的问题，对吧？这就是它的问题所在。
And then on the highway. So we roll the dice. You mentioned these things could happen. Yes. The other thing is it could be green, but there are, there's somebody parking there already. Um, yeah. And yeah, non EV car or motorcycles. Yes. Or whatever. Yes. And you can't get it. Yeah. Who knows, right? Yeah. Because nobody, nobody cares. Nobody is saying like, because EVs are so rare on the highway in the, on interstate highways that is unused and it becomes like a, okay, you lot. Yeah.
然后在高速公路上。所以我们决定赌一把。你提到这些事情是有可能发生的。是的。另一种可能是可以停下来，但已经有人停在那儿了。嗯，是的。而且可能是非电动汽车或摩托车。是的，或者其他什么东西。是的。你就无法停下来了。是的。谁知道呢，对吧？是的。因为没人在说，因为电动车在高速公路上非常罕见，而那段公路是空闲的，所以它就变成了一个，嗯，你们占用的地方。对。
Sometimes I know it's strong and I'm not saying I'm, I do it, but sometimes you know that there's a place where the, the, the disabled infrastructure is so terrible, but there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, it's better to just park there. There's a blue lot there. It's like, we all know that nobody's going to park there. I mean, no OKU will park there. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't have a nicer way to do this to say it, to say this, but I feel like that's what, uh, people, that's how people look at the blue EV, um, um, um, base, because like, okay, I, I, I go through this, this, this highway every day. I go my interstate every day, not every day, or often. And I never see a corner. It's always empty. Yeah.
有时候我知道那是不对的，我也不是说我会那么做，但是有时候你知道，有些地方的残疾人基础设施太糟糕了，但是那里有个蓝色停车场。大家都知道没有人会在那里停车。我的意思是，没有残疾人会停在那里。嗯，我没有更好的方式来表达这个意思，但我觉得人们对待蓝色EV（电动车）停车位就是这种态度，因为，好吧，我经常走这条高速公路，我每天走我的高速公路，虽然不是每天但很频繁，我从来没看到过有人停在那里，总是空着的。
It's wasting important resource. It's like that time where it's like that thing that people talk about when you're going down an escalator, is it better to stand one on one side or on both sides? Because when you stand on one side, you're only using half of the escalators capacity to make room for people who want to walk down. But how many people do that? So why not most of the time you stand on both sides so that you use double the capacity of the escalator is the same argument. So when is this going to change? The problem is that, uh, EV parking lots are in two convenient locations. We got a, maybe the solution is to move all the EV charging lots like just far enough that, you know, people can't get the parking lot. That could be one solution. I think that is, uh, I mean, I wouldn't say it's not a, that's not a bad solution at all, right? That's good. Because if you make it inconvenient, then people will stop looking at it as something, um, desirable, right? I'm not going to park my car there, especially the pepperonis, right?
这样是在浪费重要的资源。就像那个时候，人们讨论下降扶梯时，站在一边还是两边更好的问题。因为当你站在一边时，只使用了扶梯一半的容量，为想要走下来的人让出空间。但有多少人会这样做呢？那为什么大部分时间不站在两边，这样就能利用扶梯加倍的容量，这是同样的论点。那么这个问题何时会改变呢？问题是，电动汽车停车场位置太方便了。也许解决办法是将所有电动汽车充电停车场都移动到足够远的地方，人们就无法抵达停车场了。这可能是一个解决办法。我认为这个解决办法不坏，对吧？因为如果让它不方便，人们就不会再将其视为什么令人向往的事物，对吧？我不会把我的车停在那里，尤其是那些辣香肠。
Ah, no, no, no, I'll just park, if there's a parking lot nearer to the escalator, I'll use that. Yeah. Then it gives us room for the baths to charge that. Correct. So it becomes a necessity rather than a convenience. Yes, but my question is why can't we have electric charges at nice locations? Because Malaysians kind of have nice things. Yes. Because we don't allow ourselves that discipline. Yeah. We don't allow ourselves like, okay, let's be responsible and I'm just going to charge here, put my timer on one hour done. I'm taking it out, parking it somewhere else. No, I'll just park it there. Because, you know, if somebody else is parking it there, they're going to do the same thing. So pay it forward in a negative way. Yeah.
啊，不，不，不，我只是停车，如果距离自动扶梯更近的地方有停车场，我会停在那里。是的。然后这样给我们留出空间来给浴室充电。没错。所以它变成了一种必需品而不是一种便利。是的，但我的问题是为什么我们不能在好位置安装电动充电桩呢？因为马来西亚人喜欢有好东西。是的。因为我们不给自己那种自律的机会。是的。我们不给自己那种好，好吧，让我们负责任，我就在这里给它充电，设定一个小时的定时器，完成后我再把它停到别的地方。不，我就停在那里。因为，你知道的，如果其他人也停在那里，他们也会做同样的事情。所以在负面方面互相转嫁。是的。
I hope you guys find this, uh, interesting and thanks for coming on the show. And you know, I think I had, we had fun driving 1000k with this. For sure. Yeah. I think there's a lot of insight, uh, which, you know, Roy will share in his review, but I want to like give a shout out to like BMW. I think they get it right. They get the charging right despite not having a lot of cars on the road. I, I already in my mind have this feeling that I know if I drive a BMW anywhere, I can find a BMW showroom. I can find a charger. Basically. And I can find a good charger, like a fast DC charger. Like we haven't talked about charger, but yeah. DC may be not, uh, so common, but you, there are usually 22 kilowatt chances from what we found. Yeah. And I can charge my car. Yeah.
我希望你们能够找到这个有趣，并且感谢来参加节目。而且，我认为我们驾驶这辆车开了1000公里，非常开心。毫无疑问。是的。我认为这里面有很多见解，Roy在他的评价中会分享给大家，但是我想对宝马表示赞扬。我认为他们做得很对，尽管在路上的车辆不多，他们在充电方面做得很好。我在脑海中已经有这种感觉，如果我开宝马去任何地方，我可以找到宝马展厅。我可以找到充电器。基本上。而且我能找到一个好的充电器，比如快速直流充电器。虽然我们没有讨论过充电器，但是有的。直流可能不太常见，但是我们发现通常有22千瓦的充电机会。是的。我可以给我的车充电。是的。
So because we, we drove the corner and both times where we really need to charge quickly BMW. Well, one of the time, one of the time, the other time, it was a bit of a problem. It was a bit of a problem. But I think that's another, another point that, that, um, I, I discovered in this EV journey is that a lot of the charging points. Okay. And I think that are very, like, you're very uncertain. You never know whether you're doing the right thing there or not. You know, it's like, okay, we'll, we'll use a petrol power engine, right? Yeah. You drive a petrol car to a petrol station. Just pump, pay gone. There is a standard way to correct. They even had, I don't know whether it was your age, but I mean, it's your era, but, uh, there was like a jingle. Uncut, uncut, the can, uncut muscle, the computer, whatever, it's like, okay. Okay. Definitely not before my time. So I'll get out.
所以因为我们，我们转弯的时候都真的需要快速充电的宝马。嗯，其中一次，其中一次，另外一次则有些问题。有些问题。但我认为这是我在这个电动车旅程中发现的另一个点，就是很多充电点。好吧，我认为它们非常，就像你非常不确定。你永远不知道你是否在那里做对了。你知道，就像，好吧，我们会用汽油动力引擎，对吧？是的。你开汽油车到加油站，只是加油，付钱就好了。那里有个标准的操作方法。他们甚至还有，我不知道是不是你的年代，但是，嗯，是你的时代，他们有一个非常响亮的标志声。Uncut，uncut，那个罐头，uncut肌肉，那个计算机，无论是什么，就像，好吧。好吧。绝对不是我年代之前的东西。所以我会下车。
Okay.
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In English is I take it out, put it in and press. Press. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, yeah. Because they did a jingle. Sorry. They did that jingle because they were shifting from service, full service pumps where, where the guy would say, you know, you do self service pumps. Okay. So they had to have that thing so that people don't screw you up because, you know, spilling petrol over yourself or over your guys. It's very dangerous. It's an, an inconvenient at best, right? And a danger at worst.
用英文来说，我把它拿出来，放进去然后按压。按压。是的。是的。基本上，是的。因为他们做了一首广告歌。对不起。他们做了那首广告歌是因为他们正在从全服务油泵转变为自助服务油泵。好吗？所以他们必须有那个东西，以免人们把汽油弄洒在你身上或你的员工身上。这非常危险，最好的情况下不便，最坏的情况是危险。
Yes. We've all seen Zoolander guests. Yes. So, but because Evie is so wild, wild, west in Malaysia, the cars are all standard, right? The charging points for the cars are standing except for Tesla's. But the charging power, the charging locations, uh, the, the government is not going to come out or at least not now because we talked about this and I will show it. They didn't put a proper roadmap to say that, okay, how do we educate people on the proper usage of, of Evie's? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
是的。我们都见过Zoolander的客人。是的。但是因为在马来西亚，Evie太过狂野，所以车辆都是标准的，对吗？除了特斯拉以外，车辆的充电点都是站立的。但是充电功率、充电位置，政府不会有所行动，至少现在不会。因为我们讨论过这个问题，我会展示出来。他们没有制定一个适当的路线图来教育人们正确使用Evie。是的，完全正确。
Like that, that it's one thing to say that, um, and, and I feel this way also because it's like, I, I feel like car companies who want to sell Evie's should also invest in infrastructure. Right. That's why when, uh, that's why I like, I like what BMW is doing in the sense that they are working with charge Evie to, to expand the network. I don't see anyone else doing it. Like Volvo, for example, I was super disappointed to hear, uh, basically during the launch of the XC 40 recharge, um, the fully electric, um, someone asked them like, you know, why are you doing for infrastructure and the, the guys answer was basically, um, yeah, we'll just make the cars and other people are doing the infrastructure. We don't have to do it. Like what is that come on man?
就像这样，说起来是一回事，嗯，我这样感觉也是因为，就像，我觉得想要销售电动车的汽车公司也应该投资基础设施。对。这就是为什么，当，嗯，这就是为什么我喜欢宝马在这方面所做的事情，他们正在与Charge Evie合作扩大网络。我没有看到其他任何人在做这个。比如说沃尔沃，我对听到XC 40 电动版发布时他们的回答非常失望，有人问他们，你们为基础设施做了什么，那个人的回答基本上是，是的，我们只做汽车，其他人做基础设施。这是什么意思啊，拜托，伙计。
But I can't also fully blame them because, um, these are all like, like they are doing it themselves, right? They, the, the car, uh, manufacturers are taking the owners on themselves to make this for their customers. There is no direction. There is no plan. Like there is no, like, uh, the government doesn't say, oh, we need to have these charge just by this amount of time. Like every kilometer you need to have X amount of charges. Yeah. I believe like, I'm sure petrol stations had something similar when you were first coming out, right?
但我也不能全然责怪他们，因为这些都是他们自己在做，对吧？汽车制造商自愿为顾客提供这些服务。没有规定，没有计划，就好像政府没有说，哦，我们需要按一定时间充电。比如说，每行驶一公里，你需要充电X次。对吧。我相信在汽油站刚出现的时候，也有类似的情况对吧？
Yeah. I'm not sure about that though, but you know, but the, the incentive, uh, and the, the impetus was strong. Yeah. You can make money out of it.
是的，不过我对此并不确定，但是你知道，但是激励和动力很强烈。是的，你可以从中赚钱。
Yes. Yes. So I'm sure you can make money out of, uh, charging stations even more because it becomes an occasion. Yeah. Uh, I don't foresee charging numbers to drop significantly in the next maybe five, ten years. You're going to at least stay. If, if it's a DC charger, you're going to at least at least need 30 minutes to 45 minutes. And that's an amount of time that people are, uh, idle. They're not doing anything. They're going to see and they cannot do anything. The opportunity to sell. To sell. Yeah. To sell burgers, to sell whatever you can because, um, for petrol pumps, that's their problem. They cannot get people to stay long enough because it's less than five minutes and you're out. Yeah.
是的。是的。所以我确定你可以通过充电站赚到更多的钱，因为它成为了一个场合。是的。我不预见在接下来的五到十年里充电数量会大幅下降。你至少要停留多久。如果是直流充电器，至少需要30分钟到45分钟的时间。这段时间人们是闲置的。他们不能做任何事情。这是一个销售的机会。销售。对，销售汉堡，销售任何你可以的东西，因为对于加油站来说，这是他们的问题。他们无法让人们停留足够长的时间，因为不到五分钟就离开了。是的。
Uh, that's why they were very reluctant to have, uh, pay, uh, terminals at the pump because they want to force people to go in. Because that's where they make the money. Mm. This is already done. Yeah. So, but who's driving this? Nobody is so fragmented. You have a, a, a, trying to drive fast charging. You have TNB and shell working with something, but there's no roadmap there. BMW is trying, but I think it's only a certain dealer. So I think this, this one dealer is Tian Xiang. Yeah. Tian Xiang. Yeah. Those were the ones that we found to have chargers. We don't know whether they are others or we, uh, not sure whether it's a BMW, uh, a simple lead or it's like a dealer initiative. We say, okay, I want my place to have more. Correct.
那就是为什么他们非常不愿意在加油站设立支付终端，因为他们想强迫人们进店购物。因为他们在店内才能赚钱。嗯。这已经有了。是的。但是谁在推动这个呢？没有任何一个人做得有条不紊。你有一个，一个，一个试图推动快速充电的机构。你有TNB和壳牌公司在合作进行某些项目，但是没有明确的路线图。宝马正在尝试，但我觉得只有某个特定的经销商在推动。所以我认为这个，这个经销商就是天翔。是的。天翔。是的。我们发现他们有充电器，但我们不知道是否还有其他的，或者我们不确定这是宝马的一个简单领导者，还是经销商的主动举措。我们说，好，我希望我的地方有更多充电器。没错。
Yeah. Because I want my customers to come. Yeah. And it's such a simple thing, right? So if, if, if I'm going to get like a Volvo or a Hyun Dye and if I have in my mentality that I can just go to any, uh, dealer and there's a charging point, then I'll be at least elevated with my worry. Yeah. At least you know that you have one charger in a town that you can use, right? Yeah. At least one. Yeah. So, so that's the thing. And, and a lot of the charges that we, we, we, we, we that I ended up charging an arm, private property. We don't know whether we can go in or not. We don't know whether we are actually allowed to charge. I feel like I'm, I'm always looking over my shoulder. You know, I'm like, uh, somebody going to electricity, right? It feels like that. Even though there is a system, a terminal, a card, it's like a public access. Correct. Like, like the one that I topped up before we left, which is ABB.
是的，因为我希望我的顾客能来。是的，而且这是一件很简单的事情，对吧？所以如果我要买一辆沃尔沃或现代汽车，如果我心里有这样的想法，即只要我去任何一家经销商，那里都有一个充电点，那我至少就能减轻一些担忧。对的，至少你知道在一个城镇里有一个你可以使用的充电器，对吧？至少一个。对的，这就是问题所在。而且我们充电的很多地方，我最后充电的大部分地方都是私人财产。我们不知道能否进入，能否充电。我觉得自己总是左顾右盼。你知道，就像有人窥视电能一样。尽管有一个系统、一个终端和一个卡，它就像一个公共入口。正确。就像我们离开前充电的那个，ABB的那个。
Honestly, I really appreciate them because it's really near my house in Sanway. Um, they have a real, they have a 50 kilowatt DC charger. So fast. Uh, I pulled up to the compound to charge. It's like a warehouse, right? It's a warehouse. Uh, and the gates were closed. Nobody was there. I was like, oh, is this the right place?
说实话，我非常感谢他们，因为它们真的很靠近我在Sanway的家。嗯，他们真的有一个50千瓦的直流充电器。充电速度超快的。我开车去那个停车场充电。就像一个仓库一样，是一个仓库。呃，大门关着，没有人在那里。我有点儿担心，这是对的地方吗？
And then as I pulled up to the gate, the gate opened and I drove the house. Oh my God. There's nobody here. And then the gate closed behind me. I was like, am I, am I in a horror film? You know what? I just realized, uh, petrol pumps, right? They want people to come. Sometimes you are at a stretch where there are street petrol pumps competing. Yeah.
当我驶向大门时，大门打开了，我开车进去。天哪，这里没人。然后大门在我身后关闭了。我当时很惊讶，是不是我进入了一部恐怖电影里？你知道吗？我刚刚意识到，加油站，对吧？它们希望人们来这里。有时候你会经过几个竞争的加油站。是的。
And they have people, I don't know back then, they had people where they were literally like a person at the entrance of the petrol pump waving you in. Yeah. I P T the fella, but it was so competitive that they would, they were trying to be attractive. Yeah. What my, what I realize now is the least that, that all these charging infrastructure providers can do is make it welcoming.
他们有人，我不知道当时，他们那里有人就像在加油站入口处为您招手引导您进去的人。是的。我向那个人付费，但竞争太激烈了，他们试图吸引人。是的。我现在意识到的是，所有这些充电基础设施提供商能做的最起码的是让人感到欢迎。
So your ABB, I'm not, I'm not faulting them. I think they are, the ABB is a brand that supplies the charging stations. Yeah, technology. Yes. And then we have charge EV and all the parking lots and all that. And again, the common team here is BMW is the one that rises above. Every time you go to a bay in a shopping mall where BMW is powered by, it's branded by BMW, it's clear. Yeah.
所以你是ABB，我不是，我并不责备他们。我认为ABB是一个供应充电站的品牌。是的，技术。是的。然后我们有充电的电动汽车和所有的停车场等等。而且，BMW是在这里脱颖而出的常见团队。每次你去购物中心的停车区域，那些由BMW提供动力的充电区域都是BMW品牌的，非常明显。是的。
There's, there's BMW here. There's also signage leading you to where the sign is. And it's so simple, right? Yeah. The ABB thing, that warehouse, you could just have a normal signage to say, EVs welcome here or, or whatever, right? It's so easy. Yeah, I guess. But again, the one is, it makes sense for them. Like they don't have to do that because it's their private, it's their office basically, you know, it's their factory.
这里有宝马。还有指示牌引领您到达目的地。很简单，对吧? 是的。关于ABB那个仓库，他们可以只需提供一块普通的指示牌，写着欢迎电动汽车停靠之类的，或者其他什么，对他们来说很容易。是的，我想是这样。但另一方面，对他们来说是有道理的。毕竟那是他们私人的办公室，基本上是他们的工厂。
Like if you want to, if you know, you can come and charge, like, you know, they do have signage in the, in the bay itself. Like, but I don't think, but it's not like, I don't think it's their business model. Let's, let's put it there. I mean, it should be because for me, it's, it's a, well, well, where's and the fastest, most prominent mover will win. And to me, ABB has come out to be one of the, not fastest, but one of the more reliable charging stations, charging station providers in the country because they are also working with Shell to provide the fast charging along that highway. Those are powered by ABB.
如果你愿意的话，可以来充电，就是说，你知道的话。海湾内部确实有标牌。但我不认为这是他们的商业模式。就让我们把它放在那里吧。对我来说，最快速、最显要的移动者将获胜。对我来说，ABB已经成为这个国家中不是最快速但更可靠的充电站提供商之一，因为他们也与Shell合作在高速公路提供快速充电。其中一些充电站由ABB提供动力。
Yeah. And jump charge, right? Yeah. Those are powered by ABB. Yes. Yes. And the one that you used is easy. Yeah. It's reliable. It's convenient and stuff like that. Right. So, I mean, they could very well be so visible that if I, it will become like, I mean, they could be more like a petrol station thing because the risk now is if there is no visibility in terms of the charging station provider, then it becomes a commodity. I don't care where I'm getting my power from as soon as I get my power. Yeah.
是的。还有充电跳转，对吧？是的。是的。这些都是由ABB提供动力的。是的。是的。而且你使用的那个很方便。是的。它可靠、方便，诸如此类的。对。所以，我的意思是，它们可能会变得非常显眼，以至于如果没有充电站供应商的可见性，那么它就成了一种商品。只要我能充电，我就不会在乎我从哪里获取电力。是的。
If you make it into a experience, then I only want to go to stations where has, where it has ABB. So there's inconsistency. The unknown factor. Okay. Let's, let's address the point here. The other one is I think modern EVs nowadays, the current crop of EVV because that you can get in the market right now from Hyundai, from Volvo, from Kia that's coming in from Toyota, not from Mazda because it's the range is crap.
如果你把它变成一种体验，那么我只想去那些有ABB的站点。所以这里存在一些不一致。还有一个未知因素。好吧，让我们来解决这个问题。另外，我认为现代电动汽车现在的品种，即目前市场上可以购买到的来自现代、沃尔沃、起亚和丰田的电动汽车，不包括马自达，因为它的续航里程很差。
The Mazda MX3E. Yeah. MX3E. Is it, what is it called? MX3 something? No, it's not even 200K. From BMW, from Volvo, BMW, Porsche, you are fine. You won't have to worry about range anxiety if you're traveling, even if you're traveling to Saramban, not a problem. In Kerala, we'll talk about KAL, right? Yeah. Or if you're traveling around town, in KAL.
马自达MX3E。是的。MX3E。它是什么，叫什么来着？MX3什么的？不，它甚至不到200K。从BMW，从Volvo，BMW，保时捷，都没问题。如果你在旅行中，即使是去Saramban，也不用担心续航焦虑。在Kerala，我们要谈谈KAL，对吧？是的。或者如果你在城里四处转悠，在KAL。
That is, it's called, it's KAL. It's KAL. It's KAL. I'm sorry. It's going to be much more difficult for you. Yeah. It's a challenge. We tried to do the numbers. We cannot even plan a route that takes a day to get to that site. Yeah. Because there's not enough charges. I think there's one in Kwan Tan. And that's it. And after that, it's no, no, no, the point of no return. Yeah. Either make it or you don't. You call total. Yeah. Yeah, basically.
那就是，它叫做，是KAL。是KAL。是KAL。对不起。对你来说会更加困难。是的。这是一个挑战。我们试着计算数字。我们甚至无法规划一条一天内到达那个地点的路线。是的。因为没有足够的电量。我想关丹有一个充电桩。然后就没有了，没有，没有回头路。是的。要么成功，要么失败。你打电话给总公司。是的。基本上就是这样。
The cars are great. Infrastructure in town is okay. You need a lender property or apartment building management that understands your needs. Correct. Mentality is a big issue. I think I feel, especially in charging stations, the free ones. Brands, Infra provider. I think you have a major, major, major opportunity here to be so visible and own that market, own that market today so that everybody just talks about you. Like they talk about Colgate and diapers and Kodak. Yeah. That you become a household name.
这些汽车很棒，镇上的基础设施还可以。你需要找一个理解你需求的借贷房地产或公寓楼管理公司。没错，心态是个大问题。我认为，特别是在充电站方面，免费的那些，品牌和基础设施提供商。我认为你有一个重大的、重大的、重大的机会在这里，可以在市场上扮演重要角色，让每个人都谈论你，就像他们谈论高露洁、尿布和柯达一样。是的，使你的品牌成为家喻户晓的名字。
BMW is doing something really good. I think a lot of other car brands should follow them. Electric vehicles are quite practical actually. Then, yeah. The experience was much better than I thought. Yeah. Because I'm like, I'm hardcore petrol, like petrol power. Yeah. And you were pushing it. You were pushing it and you got it all the way down to 6% and you survived. Yes. It got pretty dicey. Yes. But it's the work. Yeah.
宝马正在做一些非常好的事情。我认为很多其他汽车品牌应该效仿他们。实际上，电动汽车相当实用。嗯，这个经验比我想象的要好得多。嗯，因为我是个彻底的汽油爱好者，嗯，你一直在挑战极限，最后电量只剩下6%，但你还是成功度过了。是的，局势变得相当危险。是的，但这就是奋斗的结果。嗯。
Here's for Starbucks, if you're listening. Here is a business idea. I give you for free. Or if you want to pay me, it's okay. Starbucks, look, people spend half an hour charging. At least. Imagine they could spend half an hour drinking your overpriced coffee. Put a charging station in every Starbucks. Yeah. And you'll get, because let's say, let me put it this way. The same people who go to Starbucks are people who buy EVs. There's a big overlap there. Yeah. There's an overlap there. Yeah. I can imagine the Venn diagram. I be, I be, you know, just put a charger in your Starbucks. Guaranteed best business plan you ever made. All the street site Starbucks star. Yeah. Yes. Because most of the Starbucks star. Not in the mall one, I don't get it. Yeah. If you want to sponsor the mall charger, also okay. Buy one latte, get one hour free charger. Yeah.
给星巴克，如果你听到了。这是一个商业创意，我免费给你。或者如果你愿意付费给我，也可以。星巴克，听我说，人们在充电时至少要花半个小时。想象一下，他们可以花半个小时品尝你们昂贵的咖啡。在每个星巴克店里设置一个充电站。是的。你将会得到，因为我们说，让我这样说。那些去星巴克的人也是购买电动汽车的人。这里有一个很大的交集。是的。有一个重叠。是的。我可以想象出那个韦恩图。我认为，我认为，你知道，只需要在星巴克里安装一个充电器。保证是你做过的最好的商业计划。所有的街边星巴克店都会有星，是的。是的。因为大部分的星巴克店都是这样的。不在商场内的那种我不明白。是的。如果你想赞助商场里的充电器，也可以。买一杯拿铁，免费获得一小时充电。是的。
Okay. And EVs and Pevs, guys, it's no longer a privilege. It's a tool now. Yeah. Right? So back then, like mobile phones, it was a privilege, right? I can carry that big, honking and thing and show that, hey, you know, I made it. Yeah. I can buy a mobile phone now. Yeah. And I can talk wherever I want. I can do aactivity. And ev – and it took like probably 10 to 12 years, 15 years to now this – for this to become a commodity where even everybody's using a phone because it's a tool that you need to survive. Similarly to edge vehicles, it will become a commodity instead of a luxury. Right now it's still – I think five years down the line is still be a luxury, but it's not a privilege. Yeah. It's a choice, but not a privilege. We have moved that need� harvestums from a privilege. It's true. Yeah. to the PH EV ownership. Yeah, I know I complain about you a lot. But let's try to deal. Let's try to deal, okay? You can have all the 3.7 kilowatt charges. You can have all the 3.5 kilowatt charges. And sure, in a pinch, you can have the 10-2 kilowatt charges. But for one hour, for half an hour, to charge your double A battery, right? But don't charge the fast charges. You know, leave that for full EV people because they have very casino, you know, you want to find a good charger to charge their car. Correct. I agree. Absolutely. Please sympathize to EV owners. We do not have CSC. We do not. I don't have an EV. Oh, spoiler. I don't have an EV. No, I wanted to say that. EV owners, I'm speaking on behalf of EV owners, okay? So they do not have the backup. Yeah. And if they start their screwed. Because most EV cars weigh over two tons. Very difficult to push. Very difficult to put on a towing truck. And if you do put them on a tow truck, where they're going to go? You take them home, okay? If they have a wall plug, you can take them home. Or they'll be like you. The car will be on a tow truck. And they'll be like, okay, let's go to this point. That point, unknown or WIPA guy. Correct. Go to another point. That one got another full air there. You're screwed. You're screwed. You cannot go to zero. You're screwed. I think after a point, right? The tow truck full air is going to unload the car. I'm like, good luck. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I cannot charge you enough because I'm running out of business. I also want to go home and sleep well. Yeah.
好的。电动车和混合动力电动车，伙计们，现在已经不再是一种特权了，而是一种工具。对吧？就像过去的移动电话一样，那是一种特权，对吧？我可以带着那个又大又笨重的东西向人们展示，嘿，你知道吗，我成功了。是的，我现在可以买一个移动电话。是的，我可以随时随地通话。我可以做各种活动。电动车- 这大概耗费了10到12年，甚至15年的时间- 才变成了一种商品，因为它是你生活所需的工具。同样地，从车辆使用的角度来看，它将变成一种商品而不是奢侈品。现在它仍然是- 我想五年内它仍然是奢侈品，但不再是特权了。是的。这是一种选择，而不是特权。我们已经从特权的需求转变为了实际拥有混动车的需求。是的，我知道我经常抱怨你们很多。但让我们试着应对一下吧。让我们试着应对一下，好吗？你可以使用所有的3.7千瓦充电器。你可以使用所有的3.5千瓦充电器。在紧急情况下，你可以使用10-2千瓦的充电器。但如果只为了充电一个AA电池，不要使用快速充电器。你知道，把快速充电器留给纯电动车的人，因为他们需要找一个好的充电器来给他们的车充电。对。我同意。绝对同意。请对电动车的主人表示同情。我们没有备用。是的，我没有电动车。噢，泄露了。我没有电动车。不，我是代表电动车主人说话的，好吗？所以他们没有备用电源。是的。如果他们开始出问题，就麻烦了。因为大多数电动车重达两吨以上。非常难推动。非常难放到拖车上。如果你把它们放在拖车上，那它们要去哪里？你可以把它们带回家，如果你有一个墙上插座的话。不然它们会像你一样。车会在拖车上，然后你会说，好，我们去这个地方。那个地方，不知道，或者，嘿，去另一个地方。对。再去那里，说不定又会有新的可行空气。那你就完了。你完了。你不能驱到零。你完了。我想到了一个点，对吧？拖车上的空气会把车卸下来。而我会说，祝你好运。是的。是的。伙计，我无法充电。因为生意不好做了。我也想回家好好睡一觉。是的。
Okay. So I think that's for my chair. Yeah. Yeah, that's a very like feature pack. And if you're like, if you really want to know how it's like to live with an EV, I think this is a good snapshot of what it's like.
好的。所以我认为这是关于我的座椅的。是的。是的，这是一个非常注重功能性的产品。如果你真的想知道与电动汽车一起生活的感受，我认为这是一个很好的缩影。
Application is important. You need at least five. The charge EV. Pluck share. Pluck share. Don't charge. Don't charge. ABB. Wherever it is. Yeah, but yeah, those are the three main ones that you should have. You also have to consider the subscription. You need at least one, which is the plug share. Charge EV. 240 bucks a year. Yeah. Yeah. For unlimited charging. For, yes. Yes. And yeah, there's, there's a contribute a lot more planning required.
应用程序很重要。你至少需要五个。充电电动汽车。使用插座共享。使用插座共享。不要充电。不要充电。ABB。无论在哪里。是的，但是这些是你应该拥有的三个主要应用。你还需要考虑订阅。你至少需要一个，就是插座共享。充电电动汽车。一年240美元。是的，是的。无限充电。是的。是的。需要更多的计划。
I do see reports of charging stations coming up on a daily basis. So there are more charging stations now. There's, there's, there are charging stations in hospitals and stuff like that. The, the problem is they, they cannot power them up quickly enough. So some of them, it's easy to just put a box there. Yeah. But to get the power to the box to charge the car, that takes longer. So that's also a problem now. So you need to reroute a lot. I'm sure it's not as easy as just hooking it up to a three point. No, no. So for the DC ones, you need like a factory power. Yeah. I think that's all. Yeah. Just hearing those DC charges wind up, you're like, holy crap. It's like feeling a jet, jet engine. Oh yeah. It's like something serious. It's like going to take off like that. Yeah.
我每天都看到充电站的报道。现在有更多的充电站了。在医院等地方也有充电站。问题是它们不能够很快地给电动汽车充电。有些地方只需要放个充电桩就可以了，但是把电输送到充电桩上充电需要花更长时间。所以这也是一个问题。所以你需要重新安排很多东西。我确定这并不像只是把它连接到三相电那样简单。不对，对于直流充电桩来说，你需要像工厂电源那样的功率。就这些了。听到直流充电声音的时候，我就觉得天哪，就像是感受到了喷气式发动机一样。噢是的，它是非常强大的东西，就像要起飞一样。是的。
So to sum it up, electric vehicle ownership, if you take out the charging, take charging out of the equation, it's actually quite fun, to be honest. Yeah. I will have to say it's, it's a, especially even, even for people who don't like cars, I think you enjoy this. Yeah. It's so different. You get all the best things. You get super car performance. You get super quiet. Super quiet. All, even the basic model EV vehicles get the most advanced safety technologies that works. You can lay part in the car with the icon on without the noise. Yeah. It's amazing. I really look forward to electric vehicles, to be honest. I was kept ticked because of the range, but I think there are so much better now. Functionally, as a technology point, yes. As a, will you save the environment? There was a whole new discussion. No, that's, it's not it. I mean, you need the critical mass. Yes. 50 cars, 100 cars on the road. No, that's not going to change. Yeah. It's also going to depend on, you know, what, what, how your country generates electricity. So that's going to be different wherever you are. Like, Malaysia, most of it's too cold, you know? Yeah. So it's like, you're not really saving everyone there. So where, where the ownership experience needs to improve is in the charging and in, in charging, in charging stations, charging in FRA application. Yep. And I think the most important one is mentality. The mindset. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
总结一下，如果不考虑充电问题，拥有电动汽车其实非常有趣。是的，说实话，即使是那些不喜欢汽车的人，我认为他们也会喜欢它。它与众不同，你能得到所有最好的东西。超级跑车性能，超级安静。即使是基本型号的电动汽车也配备了先进的安全技术。你可以在没有噪音的情况下停在车站。简直太神奇了。我真的很期待电动汽车。以前我还因为续航里程的问题有所顾虑，但现在它们已经好得多了。从技术角度来看，功能上确实有所提升。至于是否能拯救环境，则是一个全新的讨论。不，那并不是它的关键所在。我指的是需要达到一个临界质量。单凭50辆汽车或者100辆汽车并不能改变什么。同时也要考虑国家的电力发电方式。因此，在充电设施和充电应用方面，电动汽车的拥有体验需要改善。我认为最重要的是心态和思维方式的转变。
All right. It's time to look at some reader comments from our previous episode. So this is from, these are comments from the episode. Is it the right time to buy an EV?
好的，是时候来看一些关于我们之前一集的观众评论了。这些评论都是来自那一集。现在是购买电动车的正确时机吗？
All right. The first question is from Jackie Young, Hahn Y. And they said there was an announcement recently that the government will stop subsidizing petrol for M40 and above groups. Could this be the final straw that will push for more EV adoption? No. This is not going to be the final straw. It's not going to be, it's not going to even be a straw.
好的。第一个问题来自Jackie Young, Hahn Y。他们说最近有一个公告称政府将停止为M40及以上的群体提供汽油补贴。这会不会成为推动更多电动车普及的最后一根稻草呢？不，这不会成为最后一根稻草。它甚至不会成为一根稻草。
How are they going to, how are they going to enforce it? Like, yes, that's a very, that is the most pertinent point. How do you enforce who is M40? Correct. It's like, oh, you show up, no, before, when you should pull out a petrol station, you got to show the guy your EA phone first. No, because we don't. We don't. It's like, OK, you can put my EA. I am M40. I am. OK. OK. OK. No, then you have the pump 97. Oh, yeah. Oh, so then you go there in tatters and stuff for that. So, not that we're saying B40 people are in tatters. No, M. Oh, my God. Yes. I'm sorry. M40, how do you enforce that? Yeah.
他们要如何执行呢？就是说，是的，那是非常关键的问题。如何确定谁是M40呢？是的。就好像，哦，你到了加油站之前，你得先给那个人看你的EA手机。不是的，因为我们不是。我们不是。就好像，好吧，你可以看看我的EA。我是M40。是的。好的。好的。好的。不是的，然后你可以使用97号泵。哦，是的。哦，所以你为此事忙碌不堪。并不是说我们在暗示B40的人穷困潦倒。不，M。哦，天哪。是的。非常抱歉。M40，如何执行呢？是的。
And then we also talked about mentality and we also talked about how we're so good at gaming the system, right? So if you do this, you know what M40 people will do? They will buy the cheapest car with the biggest tank that they can get. And then they will fill it up with the most petrol. And then, I mean, they can do it. I don't think there's a way to enforce this because, isn't it? Can we, we can't even stop Singaporeans from pumping our 95, right? True.
然后我们还谈到了心态，以及我们如何擅长钻制度的空子，对吧？那么，如果你这样做，你知道什么会发生吗？M40的人会买最便宜的车，但是油箱最大的车。然后他们会装满最多的汽油。我觉得我们没办法加强执行这一点，对吧？我们甚至不能阻止新加坡人使用95号汽油，是吧？没错。
Exactly. So like they even bring the jack to GEM. Yeah. I saw that for the guy jacked up his car and pumped. I don't know if he's real. It's real. I believe he's built. Because, oh my God. And the thing is, it's so ridiculous, but we look at it like it's normal. Yeah. Because maybe some of us do the same too. I don't know. But, and M40 is the wrong group, I, in my opinion, because the M40 group is probably very, very big, right? Yeah. And they are barely just barely in that income group where you are like, okay, I have this and they're probably also living paycheck to paycheck. Yeah. Like that's the wrong group. It's the T1s, the T10s. Like there's so much more, like the M40 shouldn't be the group that they are texting.
没错。他们甚至还把千斤顶拿到GEM（大马隆）了。是啊。我看见有个人把车举起来了。我不知道他是不是真实的。是真的。我相信他是真的。天啊。而且问题是，这种情况太荒谬了，但我们却好像把它当作正常事物。是的。因为也许我们中的一些人也做同样的事情。我不知道。但是，我觉得M40是错误的群体，因为M40群体可能非常庞大，对吧？是的。而且他们几乎只是勉强在那个收入群体中，就像是“好吧，我有这个，他们可能也只是月光族而已。”是的。这是错误的群体。正确的应该是T1和T10这些群体，因为他们更有实力，M40不应该是他们发信息的群体。
Whatever, what you're telling me is that this method is wrong because if you focus on M40, you can't because of enforcement. Number two is if you can do, and you, if you can enforce this, you should focus on T1, but T1 will not generate the critical mass. Yeah. Because they live in a whole different, they'll just buy electric vehicles. segment. Yeah. So, no, this doesn't work. Correct.
不管怎样，你告诉我的意思是这种方法是错误的，因为如果你关注M40，你会因为强制执行而无法实施。第二，如果你能够实施这个方法，你应该关注T1，但是T1不会产生关键的数量。是的，因为他们生活在一个完全不同的段落，他们只会购买电动车。所以，不，这样行不通。对的。
To drive adoption, Jackie, we need, um, infra and we need a shift in mindset, a complete shift in mindset. We need industry to come in pitching and we need the government to come in pitching. Everybody needs to work together for this to happen. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
为了促进采用，杰基，我们需要基础设施，我们需要心态的改变，完全改变心态。我们需要工业界进来推广，政府也需要进来推广。每个人都需要共同努力，才能实现这一目标。
The next question is from, uh, Elvin, and he says, uh, another question to us is how long more will we have supply for petrol? If the supply is still plenty for the next 50 years, I will stick with petrol car until EV is more affordable, like 50k and more of more availability of EV charging station.
下一个问题来自埃尔文，他说，我们还能有多久供应汽油？如果在接下来的50年里供应仍然充足，我会继续使用汽油车，直到电动汽车更加实惠，比如售价在5万美元以上，并且电动汽车充电站更加普及。
Okay. The supply of, um, fossil fuels. I think that is not an issue. Fossil fuel supply is not the one that is driving people to move to EV vehicles. It is carbon. Yeah. It is the worry of climate change through pollution. And that is the biggest problem right now. Before, I think before we run out, petrol, the whole, the whole world would have been melted really ending something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
好的，供应方面，嗯，化石燃料。我认为这不是个问题。化石燃料供应不是让人们转向电动汽车的主要原因。问题在于碳。是的，人们担心通过污染导致的气候变化。这是当前最大的问题。在我们耗尽石油之前，整个世界可能已经变得异常炎热，嗯，类似于末日的情景。是的，没错。
So your, uh, your question is good because you highlight things that people don't think about. So number one is supply is not the issue.
所以，嗯，你提出的问题很好，因为你强调了人们通常没有考虑到的事情。所谓第一点是供应并非问题所在。
And then, and then you mentioned about affordability and that is actually the driving principle of adoption for greener technology. So we talk about green technology, not just EV vehicles. We talk about sustainability and, and green. We talk about moving from fossil fuel to other things.
然后，然后你提到了可负担性，这实际上是推动采用更环保技术的原则。因此我们谈论的是绿色技术，而不仅仅是电动汽车。我们谈论的是可持续发展和绿色。我们谈论的是从化石燃料转向其他能源的问题。
The problem with that is all these things are much more expensive than what we have right now. That's why pollution is not stopping. That's why people are still buying plastic or still using plastic because plastic is cheaper. Plastic is faster. Plastic is more convenient. Yeah.
问题就在于，所有这些东西要比我们现在拥有的都要贵得多。这就是为什么污染没有停止的原因。这就是为什么人们仍在购买塑料或者继续使用塑料，因为塑料更便宜、更快速、更方便。是的。
We're using fuel because, uh, internal combustion engines are cheaper, uh, more convenient, easier to use than energy vehicles. So the technology needs to be easy. That is either, it's more convenient than what we have today or is at least the same way. Yeah.
我们使用燃料，因为内燃机比能源车更便宜、更方便、更容易使用。所以技术需要简单易懂。要么比我们今天拥有的更方便，要么至少是相同的方式。是的。
This is the problem with sustainability because when you, like, if you go into like, okay, a network country, I don't want to offend anybody. So a lot of the sustainability people will come and say, okay, hey, you need to change your ways because it's wrong. And then they go and push back. Yeah, you, why people, you know, you can do whatever you want in your country. Now you're coming and capturing our country. Yeah. That is always the, the discussion, the rhetoric that happens.
这就是可持续性所面临的问题，因为当你进入一个网络国家的时候，我不想冒犯任何人。很多可持续性推崇者会说，嘿，你需要改变你的方式，因为这是错误的。然后他们开始反击。是的，你们为什么人，你知道，在你们的国家你可以做任何想做的事情，现在你们来占领我们的国家。这总是发生的讨论和辩论。
So what they found out is to, to drive sustainability is not to push and not to tell people what to do, but to make it profitable for them. So if you switch the industry, so let's say you are somebody that's, uh, doing something unsustainable and then you tell them, Hey, Rory, you know what? If you do something else, there will be more tourists and you will have more money and we're like, okay. So it's not about saving the environment. The, the carrot approach law. Yeah. Rather than the stick. Yeah. It's not about saving the world. And everyone you pointed out, it's about affordability and availability. Yeah.
所以他们发现，推动可持续发展的方法不是强迫和告知人们应该做什么，而是使其变得有利可图。所以如果你转变行业，比如说你是一个不可持续发展的从业者，然后告诉他们：“嘿，罗里，你知道吗？如果你做其他的事情，会有更多的游客，你会赚更多的钱。”我们会说：“好的，所以这不是为了拯救环境。”像胡萝卜法一样，而不是使用惩罚。是的。这不是为了拯救世界。正如你指出的，这是关于可负担性和可获得性。是的。
Okay. Then, uh, the final question, this is from the bad Fred and they say, to go fully EV in Malaysia, in Malaysia, power infrastructure needs to change drastically. Otherwise millions in Clang Valley charging at the same time would collapse, uh, the power infrastructure.
好的。然后，最后一个问题，这是来自坏的Fred，他们说，在马来西亚要完全转到电动车的话，电力基础设施需要发生巨大改变。否则，在克隆谷有数百万人同时充电的情况下，电力基础设施会崩溃。
Okay. Bad Fred, uh, this is a good point. And this is something I mentioned in my, in the, in this show in, in, is it the right time to buy an EV? And yes, if 10% of the population suddenly uses EV, it's not that the power infrastructure will collapse. It's just that the system will collapse. There will be like long lines at EV charging stations. Uh, EV charging stations will be broken because, uh, there's, it's overused. That's just too many people using it. We have surplus power supply in Malaysia, not a problem.
好的。太糟糕了，弗雷德，嗯，这是一个好观点。这也是我在这个节目中提到的一个问题，在什么时候购买电动汽车？如果突然有10%的人口使用电动汽车，并不是说电力基础设施会崩溃，而是整个系统会崩溃。电动汽车充电站会排起长队，电动汽车充电站会损坏，因为使用过度。因为有太多人在使用。在马来西亚，我们有过剩的电力供应，不是问题。
Uh, in fact, we have independent power producers producing more power than, uh, than we need. In fact, uh, there are houses that have solar panels that are providing, that are supplying power back to, to, to, to the grid. Yeah. We have more power, not a problem. The problem is we don't have enough charges. It's just we have more power, but we don't have enough, uh, plug points. It's imagine like you're in a hall and everybody suddenly, okay, there's a hundred people. And then the normal usage is five people needs to charge and there's four plug points in that hall.
实际上，我们有独立发电厂生产的电量超过我们所需的。事实上，有些房屋安装了太阳能面板，向电网供电。是的，我们有充足的电力，这不是问题。问题在于我们没有足够多的充电插座。就好比你在一个大厅里，突然有一百人进来。正常的使用需求是五个人需要充电，但这个大厅里只有四个插座。
So it is on a normal usage, you can support that, right? But suddenly one day everybody needs to charge and you only have five plug points. The, the charging station, the, the, what's going to be broken is the, the cable, the plug point, and maybe the wall socket, but the power system infrastructure is not going to be affected, right? That's pretty much it.
所以在正常使用中，你可以支持这样做，对吗？但突然有一天每个人都需要充电，而你只有五个插座。而这时，可能会损坏的是电缆、插座，也许是墙壁上的插座，但电力系统基础设施不会受到影响，对吗？基本上就是这样了。
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嗯，这是我。嗯，这是我提醒你我们也在播客上的时机。所以如果你在播客上听我们的话，请给我们一个五星评价，因为那对节目非常有帮助。在你最喜欢的播客平台上搜索我们吧。我们在寻找的是“Let's talk about”，你会找到我们。如果你在YouTube上观看我们，非常感谢你的观看。如果你觉得这个节目提供了有益的内容，请给我们一个点赞，因为那也对节目有帮助。
Drop us a comment. If you want to get into the discussion and, and, and want to share what your ownership experience is like as well. Uh, I'll give us some ideas. Yeah. Um, if you're listening to us on podcast, uh, drop us a voice note at, let's talk about it. And search in show.com. Yeah. And then if it's informative or insightful or just intriguing, we'll play in the next episode. Uh, and that's pretty much it. Yeah.
给我们留个评论吧。如果你想加入讨论，并且想分享你的所有权体验，那就更好了。嗯，我会给我们一些想法。是的。嗯，如果你正在播客上听我们，可以在 let's talk about it. And search in show.com. 给我们留个语音留言。是的。如果内容有趣、有洞见或者引人入胜，我们会在下一集播放它。那基本上就是这样了。是的。
Again, this is like a discussion, right? So if you have anything, definitely leave them in the comments. Like I want to hear like people who have own EVs or BH EVs much longer than me. Yeah. I want to hear what they have to say. Maybe they have like useful tips that I can use for my next one. So I'm looking forward to that for sure.
这就像是一个讨论，对吧？如果你有什么想说的，一定留言告诉我。我想听听那些拥有电动车或比我更长时间拥有 BH 电动车的人说些什么。也许他们有一些对我下一辆车有用的建议。所以我非常期待听到他们的分享。
All right. That's pretty much it. This is me. I'm in and I'm Rory. Thanks for watching guys. Catch you guys later. Bye.
好的。就是这样。这就是我。我是Rory。谢谢大家观看。稍后再见。再见。