Hey everybody Rob now we're here and today we are going to be going through what to expect from Tesla's Q1 earnings report tomorrow. I'll go through my forecast as well as analyst consensus. We'll take a look at some of the differences there and then we'll talk about key points to watch for as we get that shareholder letter and of course the earnings call following that with that beginning at market close tomorrow afternoon.
So before we even get into the forecast, I think we all kind of know what this earnings report is about right. We've seen the huge price cuts here in the first quarter and everyone's big question is how significantly that has impacted Tesla's margins and what that means going forward. As always when we walk through these numbers, that's the focus. You know we're not super worried about how forecast come in versus expectations. It's more about what do these numbers mean? What does it what additional context do we learn from this report that will help us understand where Tesla's business is going going forward.
So as we look through these numbers, you're going to see that I am pretty close to analyst consensus. We've got the trailing 12 months. So the last four quarters on the left, my forecast in yellow and then on the right, we've got the analyst consensus and right off the bat, you'll probably notice that the analyst consensus doesn't actually have as much information as when as when we're used to seeing. So that's not a difference with the analysts. They're still projecting these things, but the company compiled consensus has been paired down, parsed down a little bit to include a little bit less information.
So whether that's an indicator of maybe Tesla changing some of the reporting styles or something like that for the earnings report tomorrow, we'll have to see. Could just be, you know, Tesla trying to focus a little bit more on some higher level numbers and they'll still include those things, but it is interesting to see kind of that change in what is being shared in terms of that consensus. So just something to keep it on as we get that report tomorrow.
But as we go through my forecast, obviously we'll start off with deliveries. We already know that number, you know, pretty close to what it was or we already know that pretty that number because of Tesla's previous report at the beginning of the quarter or at the end of Q1 rather for energy storage. This could be where we see some significant differences. I've got energy storage projected at about 3.1 gigawatt hours up from about two and a half gigawatt hours in the fourth quarter, analysts only at about 2.3 gigawatt hours. So our consensus in general are pretty close, but that is one area that I am a little bit different.
I did bring that down slightly from my forecast early in the quarter based on the mega pack production numbers that we saw from Bradford Ferguson, which we had talked about last week. Seems like that was roughly extrapolating to about 3.5 gigawatt hours per quarter. So for them to be at 3.1 for the first quarter would be somewhat in line with that production rate. But of course you have power walls and things like that that are going to add to that total, not just megapacks. So that's where I'm at for energy storage.
Energy generation. I'm at 100 megawatts just in line with last quarter. That's kind of where we've seen Tesla B for the last three quarters. Q1 last year was a little bit of a drop, but the quarter prior was sort of around this level as well. So I'm pretty much in line with analysts on that one.
So getting into the revenue buckets. This is kind of the where everything starts right. Everything will trickle down from this and this is going to be dependent upon average selling prices for Tesla's vehicles. The big fluctuating factor there is going to be that ASP combined with whatever the energy storage numbers come into be. So those are going to be the two driving forces for where earning starts at this top line with revenue.
I do have Tesla revenue coming in a little bit higher than expectations at about 23.4 billion versus analyst consensus, 23.25 billion. So for me, what's driving that is actually not automotive revenue. I'm slightly below analyst consensus there about 100 million dollars. Again, we don't have the analyst consensus for regulatory credits. So it's tough for me to know if they're expecting more regulatory credits or a higher average selling price.
When we look at margins a little bit later though, I think it suggests higher average selling price expectations for analysts than where I am at, which we'll talk about more in a second. But really what's driving the energy or what's driving the revenue beat for me versus analyst expectations would be energy. So I'm at about 1.4 billion versus them at about 1.2 obviously driven by that additional storage. So from services, I'm a little bit higher. $70 million higher there. Just continuing to see some growth as Tesla tends to show off the last few quarters. So I'm a little bit surprised that analyst consensus is a little bit lower there, but we'll talk a little bit more about that as we get into margins as well.
So again, the big critical factor here, average selling prices, this is the key driver for this entire earnings report. So I just want to take a second and look at a comment that Zach or corn Tesla CFO made last quarter on the earnings call. So this was actually late January by the time Tesla had the Q4 earnings call. And the question that was asked by investors through say.com was after recent price cuts, released expectations that Tesla automotive gross margin, excluding leasing in credits will drop below 20% and average selling price around 47,000 dollars across all models. Where do you see average selling price and gross margins after the cuts?
So Zach responded to that saying yes, I'll jump in on this. So there is certainly a lot of uncertainty about how the year will unfold, but I'll share what's in our current forecast for a moment. So based upon these metrics, we believe that will be above both these metrics that are stated in the question, so 20% automotive gross margin, excluding leases and credits, and then $47,000 ASP across all models. And so two other comments I want to make on this just tactically on sequential ASP changes from Q4 to Q1.
Just as a reminder, the ASP reduction is not as large as the reduction in configurator prices as in Q4. We had backlog customers that were delivering cars to at a lower price, lower price book, given that backlogs had been so long for much of 2022. But then also there are various programs in place that we used in Q4 that lowered ASP. Of course, we know about that Tesla giving $7,500 discounts towards the end of the quarter on many vehicles in the United States and other incentives in other regions.
As we come back to the financials, again, these things that were shared here give us a lot of insight into where Tesla expects things to come in. Probably the most uncertainty that I've got around these comments is whether or not Zach is talking about this quarter specifically Q1 and these results that we'll see tomorrow or if he's talking about Tesla's average selling price for the year. So we may see the numbers dip below that and then return a little bit higher as Tesla gets cost down early or later on in the year. But right now we could see margins dip below that if Zach is talking about on an annual basis. But the question, it seemed to be a little bit more around if the numbers would drop below that at all and it seemed like Zach kind of answered in that way. So I'm just a little bit 50-50 on what exactly was meant there and if Zach is talking annually or for the year. So just keep that in mind as we kind of return to the forecast because the next section we'll look at here is for average selling price.
So you can see how that is trended over the last, you know, four quarters. I've always had this in my more robust model, but just adding it here on the summary because it is so important this quarter. So you can see it's gone from 52,000 up to almost 56,000 in Q2 last year, dropping a couple thousand then each quarter from Q3 and Q4. And now I have it at about 47,800. So if we go back to that main question or we go back to that question from the Q4 call, Zach is saying it's not going to drop below 47,000. So I've got that in my forecast. It seems like analysts have that in their forecast too. They're probably a little bit higher again based on those gross margins. Not sure if that's coming from really good or credits or ASP, but it seems like from ASP.
And then on the cost side, I do have those declining as well. So we've seen that a little bit, you know, from Q2 sort of peak cost there as well as PKSPs, but those have, you know, at least in Q4 sort of leveled out in terms of the decline that we saw.
That said, I do have this quarter cost coming down a little bit more. The main reason for that is that Tesla has continued to ramp up at Gigabril in and Gigatexis. That should help with costs.
I think one of the big drivers of Tesla's cost to get sold here, you can see these really increase. A lot of this happened when you've got the R&D expenses for particularly 46 AD cells that development there, flipping into cost of good sold as Tesla, you know, really started full production of 46 AD vehicles there in the second quarter.
So you can see that, you know, you coincide here a couple hundred million dollars of R&D drop with an increase in the average cost of good sold. So that's kind of when Tesla flipped the switch on 46 ADs, hitting cost of good sold. And that has persisted.
I think Zach mentioned last quarter that that was about a $2,000 to $2,000 to $3,000 impact on the average cost. So I'm projecting a little bit of that to come out as well as just a little bit of a decline in Tesla's materials prices as of course we've seen things like spot prices for things like lithium, you know, nickel, various other materials that Tesla needs to use come down from sort of the bubble that they were in.
What we don't know is how significant that one impact Tesla's costs or at what point in time. Zach talked about how this will take some time to flow through. No, they're not going to see the benefit of some of those lower costs immediately just because of links of contracts and things like that.
And that's sort of not that it was, I guess if you want to call it a bubble, it's not the most inaccurate portrayal of it, but because of a little bit of a lead time of those increases in costs, not hitting Tesla's costs immediately, you know, while they were raising prices throughout 2022 and probably the back after 2021, those prices were coming in higher, but cost of good sold were not because of those contracts were supporting Tesla's materials prices.
And now we're kind of on the opposite swing of that, right? So you've got a little bit of an inflation in the gap between these two metrics back at that period of time, and I've got probably the opposite where prices are coming down, but maybe the materials changes aren't quite hitting yet.
So we'll see on that. And hopefully they'll share a little bit more commentary on how they expect that to unfold. They talked a little bit about that in Q4 on the earnings call.
So again, I'm spending a lot of time on this because this is really the fundamental driver of how the earnings come in this time, but also how the market is going to react to it and basically forecast from here, this will set sort of the benchmark for where we go for the rest of the year.
And obviously Tesla sends then, you know, since the end of Q1 has had some other price changes. So if this number disappoints, that's going to cause some concern around expectations for the following quarters. Thank you Winston for that super chatter. Really appreciate that.
All right. So looking at automotive profit, again, this is just a function of how these ASPs and average selling costs or average cost of goods sold come in. And unfortunately, we don't have the analyst consensus, but I'm at about $4.4 billion here.
More importantly though, that ends up being a 21.5% gross margin. So you can see how that compares to how it's come in the last four quarters. It is a pretty significant drop from an X credit perspective. Again, I had $320 million and credits kind of just taking the average that Tesla seems to come in at.
Maybe a little bit low on that, but excluding those credits, I'm at 20.3%. So again, if we go back to this answer, I'm kind of taking that. However, the question here was excluding credits and excluding leases.
For me, I do have leases included in this in this number right now. If I exclude leases, my number there is 19.6%. So I'm actually being conservative in terms of my margin expectations compared to this answer. Again, based on that uncertainty of not knowing if Zach is talking about for the year or for the quarter in this case.
As Tesla unfolds again throughout the year, hopefully more of those cost materials cost declines, hit their books as well as the impact of 4680s and the ramp there as well as just the factory ramps for Berlin and Texas, which were 25% to 30% ramped up in the first quarter.
As those costs come down, that will hopefully improve Tesla's cost structure, which can improve margins as long as average selling prices don't decline even more significantly.
当成本下降时,这有望改善特斯拉的成本结构,而只要平均销售价格不会进一步显著下降,这可以改善利润率。
So I'm a little bit conservative there. I hope if Tesla sort of every 1% in margins that Tesla adds based on the automotive revenue that I've gotten here, it adds a couple hundred million dollars in automotive growth profit. That usually will trickle all the way down.
There will be some tax impact, but that probably adds about five cents to earnings per share, which we'll talk about here in a second. So that's what I'm at for automotive growth margins based on this cost structure.
Now, again, this could be a little bit lower. No one really knows how these are going to come in because we don't know the mix of Tesla's orders that are new orders and sort of their backlog, not even so much for this quarter, but for last quarter or the prior quarters. So we don't know how the mix of those vehicles was impacting the average selling prices here to be able to use that as a basis to establish our average selling price for this quarter.
So again, that's why this quarter is so important to see what this number is because it'll kind of reset expectations because presumably when Tesla lower those prices, there's probably not going to be a bunch of people taking delivery at the older high prices. So it'll help reestablish for forecasting going forward.
Energy profit, again, not broken out for the analyst consensus, but I'm at about $200 million. So up a little bit and at a 14% growth margin there, services and others, I do have that declining a little bit, still up significantly over a year. That's, I have the margin declining to just below 2% for services and others from about 5.5% last quarter.
The main reason for that is because of just the decline in average selling prices that we're seeing in the out of market. Tesla has talked in the 10Qs about how part of what has been driving these higher growth margins and services and others has been use vehicle sales. So if average selling prices are compressed a little bit for use vehicles as well, that will help reduce the cost of the cost of the cost. So I think those are the main things that I want to say about the margin structure.
Probably worth pointing out. Oh, one other thing. So when we look at the sequential change, you may notice that this 400 basis point drop is what I'm forecasting. It's actually a little bit less than that because as we talked about when we got the last quarter's earnings, these were pretty heavily impacted by Tesla recognizing about $325 million of FSD revenue.
If you exclude that from last quarter, which you should kind of establish a fair comparison, that would put last quarter automotive growth margin x credits at 23.1%. So it takes about 1.2% away. So really the drop is less significant sequentially if the numbers come in, how I'm forecasting. And then same thing for total growth margin that takes about 1% point out. So you're at a 22.7 versus 23.8. So you can see how that compares sequentially as well.
And then for the year of your comparison, obviously we're seeing a huge drop here. You know, if you look at growth profit down 16%, despite delivery is up 36% in this forecast, total sales up 25%. So this is a huge reason as we have talked about for the multiple compression that we have seen for Tesla.
You know, if you strip out everything else from Tesla and you just kind of look at the financials, which isn't the best way to analyze a business. But as we know, that's something that people do, especially on Wall Street. If you strip out all that context, these numbers in isolation, they don't look good.
You don't want to see a business that's growing revenue that significantly generating economies of scale start to see declining profits because then the question is, okay, how are they ever going to grow profits if increasing scale isn't doing that, right?
So the question becomes, is this sort of a reset for Tesla where, okay, this was a little bit of a bubble, now we're maybe in a little bit of a reverse bubble to an extent. Maybe that continues for some period of time. But if this can sort of reestablish a baseline in Tesla can continue to grow from here as we have seen historically, then it's kind of all good. You just don't want to see this continue.
But you know, that's a lot of what we've talked about for the share price over the last sort of nine months or so. The other thing I wanted to mention on the gross margin comparison is the last year. So when we look at last year Q1, it was obviously a tremendous quarter for Tesla, 29.1% total gross margin, almost a 33% automotive gross margin, significant drop from where we're at today or to where we're at today.
But a big driver for that last quarter or last year was the $680 million in regulatory credits, which is I think the biggest ever that Tesla is recognized. So if you strip that out, that does take about 3.6% from gross margin or operating margin. So it's still a tremendous quarter, excluding those things, but it does also make the comparison look a little bit worse because I don't have nearly that amount in Q1 this year.
All right. So getting into operating expenses, operating margin. So this should be pretty straightforward. This has been relatively predictable for Tesla over the last year. Even before that, it was a little more predictable than Wall Street was able to do, but they've kind of got it locked in now, I think. So unless there are any surprises, there shouldn't be any major swings for the operating expenses. Like we've got Elon Musk's compensation plan out of the way now.
There's nothing there to continue to recognize, which was a big driver of some of the volatility in the past. So that's out of the way. R&D's kind of been pretty smooth with the exception of the 4680 stuff. But once that's fallen out, the growth there has been relatively consistent. Same thing with S-GNA, which again has also been impacted by Elon's compensation plan.
So a lot of the things that drove volatility in those, you know, as far as we know, are out again, pending any surprises. But since we have a pretty nice idea of how those are going to come in, we should see operating expenses around 1.9 billion. So again, operating margin will just be a function of pretty much average selling price and cost on the vehicles with a little bit of contribution from energy.
Having said, I'm at about 11.5 percent currently analysts are at about 12.3 percent. So I'm a little bit lower than consensus. Same thing with total gross margin, which we didn't talk about. But again, I think that's what's driving their total gross margin up based on probably pretty low expectations for energy and services. It would pretty much have to be automotive gross margins doing that, driving that difference. So they're a little bit higher on that, which is driving the operating margins up a little bit as well.
Then in terms of the bottom line numbers, we'll talk about gap net income here. So I'm at about 2.5 billion analysts consensus about 2.5 billion. So we're pretty much in line. I'm guessing they have a little bit higher forecast for things like interest expenses or taxes. It's kind of what would drive those differences. But ultimately, we end up at pretty much the same situation, although with different inputs getting there, I'm at about 84 cents from a non-gap earnings per share perspective versus 85 cents from the consensus. And I'm at 72 cents for gap EPS versus 73 cents for analysts.
So that's kind of how it all shakes out with these numbers. Again, hopefully there is some upside if gross margins can stay above that 20%, excluding automotive credits and excluding automotive leases. If that's a case, this should add 5% for every 5 cents in earnings per share for every 1% of gross margin that Tesla can exceed that by roughly. So you could be looking at maybe 10 cents of upside from that.
There could be regulatory credit sales that Tesla has. Last quarter was higher. Last year, this quarter was higher. That could drive things up significantly. So those would be some of the factors that could lead us to a beat, which would be really nice. Less so on the regulatory credits, no one really cares about how that affects things because they're inconsistent. And if you're modeling out to 2030, perhaps not part of the projection.
So that's kind of where the bottom line sits for me right now. Again, I think analysts have gotten a little bit better at forecasting. It's gotten a little bit easier over time. Now that I say that, though, we'll probably have some big surprise that comes in.
And just to be clear, I think I mentioned this every quarter. But these have been my forecasts for a long time. I do these before I look at any analyst consensus. So it's not influenced by those at all. And this has actually been my forecast since January. So this is within, I think, a center to you and earnings per share of what I had expected the day following Q4s earnings. So that doesn't mean it's right, but it's been consistent since we've had that last big piece of information with that Q4 call.
All right. I'm trying to think if there's anything else major to note here. Just a couple of other things to keep an eye out for as we look at the call. We did have a significant impact from foreign exchange last quarter. This is something that I don't really model in. It's not something that I'm really particularly well suited to do. I don't think we're not my skill set that has developed yet, I guess. But the foreign exchange impact was, I think, $300 million or so last quarter. And it's difficult to forecast because Tesla doesn't really hedge it. And obviously there's so many different influencing factors there with Tesla playing in so many different markets.
And then the other big thing would be just Tesla's comments on the outlook going forward. You know, whatever the margin is here, if we get some sort of an update on anything relating to this, that will help people model out forecast for the year going forward.
So that's kind of where we're at. You know, if you've got other things that you're keeping an eye on, definitely let me know in the comments today. If you disagree with any of these forecasts, let me know that as well.
But again, generally just trying to provide some context so that once the numbers come in tomorrow, we've got some idea of what we're looking at and kind of what that means for Tesla's business going forward. But that will wrap it up for today. So as always, thank you for listening.
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