Welcome to big questions! This is Gap Busman. We all feel healthier when we can easily solve our problems and I want to approach the new year with a specific conversation about solving problems in new and unexpected ways. That should get us off to a good start.
I heard an amazing story about a dog that was chained to the ground during a hurricane. As the water level rose, it threatened to drown this dog. Dog was struggling to stay afloat, threatened water, and it was safe. By a drone sighting, the story invokes the wonder of unexpected solutions. Certainly was a wonder to that dog.
Looking at it from the big picture, there are all sorts of new solutions to many problems. Solutions that are already here as well as those on the way. I was astonished to hear that drones can save an average golf course 15 million gallons of water a year, simply by monitoring the course and detailing the specific areas that need watering. They're also making deliveries of blood when and where needed them. There could soon be 100,000 popping out of the ground like sprinkler systems to make life more efficient.
I've always been an old school guy. It was a big leap for me just to start this podcast. But as we move through 2023, I'm looking for new thinking on some areas that have held me back in the past. We all have those areas so I hope this conversation will inspire you too.
Here's my conversation with Darren Darnal, also known as Drone Boss. He's the president of Sky Eye, a network of drone business owners that work in areas as diverse as Hollywood and cell tower inspections, but who also step up for the greater good in times of emergencies. If you're looking to climb some new mountains like I am, it's wise to go up with the latest gear. Perhaps this conversation about drones will make you wonder what is available to solve your problems.
If you enjoy the conversation, I hope it will lead you to fresh and innovative thought. Let's get straight to Damon Darnal. Let's just start with a great story about the dog. I love this story. And then we'll get into Sky Eye and what you're doing with drones.
Sure. But I'm like you, the technology is just mind boggling where it's going and stuff that can happen with it. A lot of people think drones are kind of a new thing, but they've actually been around a long time. In fact, the first patent on a drone was back in 1896 by Nicholas Tesla. So it's been around quite a while, but you alluded to, the technology has just gotten to the point recently where now pretty much they're way easier to fly and they're way more prevalent.
The dog story that you're talking about, we do a lot of stuff with disaster relief, search and rescue, whether there's floods or tornadoes or hurricanes. And one in particular, there was a flood in Houston, Texas several years ago. And there was massive, massive, massive flooding. And everything was out. People were stranded in traps. So we're flying drones around, there were helicopters flying around and we help rescue several people and over 100 animals.
And one particular dog in particular stands out. And this poor dog, we flew over and we saw him just treading water. He was just swimming, but it didn't look like he was going anywhere. And we identified where he was. We got a boat and it was fairly close to where we were. So we went over to him. And just as we're coming up to him, we're probably 12 feet away from him and he makes eye contact with his eyes, just get huge and you can tell he's super excited. And then right before we get there, he goes under. And it's like, no, no, not now. So we dive in or I dive in, we grab the dog, we throw him up. And as we throw him up on the boat, the poor dog, he's basically still kind of conscious unconscious, but his tongue was hanging way out of his mouth. And we pumped on him a little bit and you finally got all the water he coughed out and gained consciousness.
But as we pulled him up there and we're dealing with all this, we realized the reason he hadn't moved anywhere is he was chained. So he was staked to the ground and it was right by a lake and a lake had risen almost almost 17 feet. So he had been treading water for over 30 hours. That sounds impossible. Right. That was treading water for 30 hours. I could make it maybe an hour. Maybe I don't know. But yeah, for the storm rolled in, so 30 hours. And this dog, and we took him to the, they had to set up a little emergency shelter. He was super dehydrated, gave him lots of fluids. It was a boxer and he ended up making it. And I was just like, man, what, what amazing heart.
And I had mixed emotions because I'm kind of angry at the owners. Like how could they leave them staked up there? And, and, and, you know, but I'm super happy that we were able to have the technology and be being the right place at the right time. Literally within seconds from what it looked like when he gave up and, and able to save them. So that was just something that was super amazing for me. I love that story.
How does what you do work? So sky is sending all of these drones overhead to seek out people or pets in an emergency situation. I inclement whether hurricanes, tornadoes, is that it?
Yeah. Well, and there's several things. So sky network is a, it's a network of, of drone entrepreneurs or drone business owners. And these guys all have their, their businesses. And they surface, they, they focus on different things. Some do Hollywood movies, some do inspections, some do, you know, real estate stuff. But pretty much everyone when there's disasters that come up, then we all, we all pull together and we, we make sure that we can go out there and we can help people.
And it's great using this technology because we can, you know, help emergency services find out what roads are blocked or washed out or damaged. And, you know, if there's people that need, need emergency help where they are and to help get them, get people to them, you know, quicker or to rescue people like there are in the same hurricane that we had, Hurricane RV. There were lots of people stranded on their roofs. They were places that never flooded before in this, in this particular hurricane. And they thought they'd be fine. Now the sudden they're on the, you know, top of their roof on their two story house, you know, stranded and, and nowhere to go. So, so able to do that, you know,
the same thing that these guys, we get to help like on, we were talking a little bit about the inspection side. And you know, it's just, it's mind boggling to me, you know, talking about this technology that we're not using drones in all these places yet. We will, you know, I'm sure in the near future, but right now it's just like it's, we're right on the cusp.
Well, give it, give some examples. Well, like, like so for inspections, inspections, which are, you know, doing bridge inspections, dam inspections, cell tower inspections, wind farm inspections, power line inspections, things like that. We're still sending guys up on in these rope climbing crews and sometimes even, even helicopters to do some of these inspections and helicopters crash, you know, safety equipment fails. People, because they're people, they don't necessarily do, you know, the double safety harness stuff and they slip and make mistakes. And, you know, there were over 300 fatalities last year alone when these, all these combined inspections, which is just horrific.
And the scariest part about that is 82% of those inspections could have been done by a drone. And you know, actually working in this and helping people, it's amazing that the horrible ramifications that go with someone, especially even like the manager, if you're the manager of someone who's doing, you know, say, you know, the cell tower inspections and you send a guy out and then he ends up dying and you have to tell his family, who's usually they're all friends and they know each other that he's not coming home and that really messes with them. So that manager now has, you know, he's got PTSD, all kinds of issues and yeah, the ripple effect.
Yeah. And then it can be avoided is like the thing that just blows my mind totally and the technology's there. Like even with agriculture, I mean, I always talk about this that, you know, drones in the near future, they're going to be like sprinkler systems, right? They're just going to pop out of the ground from their dock, you know, they're going to go fly and overfly their grid.
Like we can fly over, you know, anything that takes water and fertilizer and tell if they're where they're watering too much, where they're not watering enough, where they're overfertilizing, where they're underfertilizing and, you know, and make adjustments. Like an example in a golf course, we can save an average golf course about 15 million gallons of wasted water a year.
What? It's nuts, right? And that's just an average golf course because they just water everything and by knowing where they're overwatering, then they can make adjustments and it's incredible savings. We save them about, you know, a private course around $200,000 of wasted fertilizer a year and a public course around $140,000.
How did the drones know too much fertilizer here? So we have sensors on the drones and imagery, they call it NDVI imagery, which basically measures the natural vegetation index. So we can kind of tell the health of the grass and, you know, and the soil. And the neat thing about that is we can see things, the drone can analyze the data and be able to see things that we can't see with the naked eye.
So we can, like we did an avocado orchard not too long ago and it was this really weird fungus in one of the trees. It was a clump of trees, you know, in the avocado orchard. And you know, the drones couldn't identify what it was, but we could tell there's a problem. This is different than the rest of them. So we told the farmer about it and he sent an arborist over there. They did a core sample of the tree and found out it's got this horrible fatal disease that normally wipes out the entire orchard.
But they don't find out about it until the end of the season when it's too late. And he was just, he's like, you saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not just this year, if this infected the whole orchard, it normally takes us 12 to 15 years to get the orchard to clear it all, rebuild everything and get it back to this production level. So the neat thing is, I mean, this goes on with medical stuff.
I mean, we have the ability to deliver blood and plasma and platelets and medication. We can get it to rural areas where they can't get it. What do they do? Do they just put a little parachute on it and send it down? Yeah, there's different ways in depending how big the area is. So if it's a smaller area, meaning geographically, the drones don't have to fly as far as the may use, what most people recognize as drones, which are multi-rotor, kind of like little mini helicopters. And we can fly those over with a little more precision and then either drop the package depending on it or have a little release with the parachute on it.
If it's a larger area like out in Africa, there's a company out there zipline and they're doing, they're doing long distance and they're using a fixed wing drone, which is essentially like a little mini airplane. And it's all, you know, the great thing, this is all GPS guided, the cellular networks and GPS signals. And so we can drop stuff within literally a couple yards of where it needs to be and the drones, the fixed wing fly much faster, cover more distances.
And the cool thing in Africa is they've actually, they've done something that no other countries been able to do for all the hospitals that are using the drone delivery. They have actually zero waste as far as blood going bad, not being used because the challenges they have is you either have to stock a lot of blood in case you need it. And if you don't use it, then it's got a short life shelf life, so you have to throw it away.
But they have the ability to keep them in these central storages and then deliver them to all these remote places that might or might not need a lot of blood at any particular time. They can get blood to them in minutes, not hours or days with the drone technology. So it's pretty cool all the applications.
And the neat thing is, is we'll see all kinds of autonomous drone flight in the future. I sit on the board at NASA's U-Tam, which is unmanned traffic management. And one of the big challenges we're trying to figure out is how to incorporate all these hundreds of thousands of drones flying around to deliver medicine and blood and, you know, inspect things and deliveries, which are going to be something we'll have.
You know, your Amazon packages will be dropped off. And to be able to navigate all this stuff where there's A, it's safe, you know, for all the other stuff in the air, you know, B, it doesn't create any visual pollution and see any noise pollution by having all these drones buzzing around and stuff. So it's, it's, it's, it's literally going to be like the Jetsons, you know, in the future. George Jetson, man.
Now, you know, you mentioned Africa and we, in our earlier conversation, you were telling me how the drones were saving the lives of elephants. Yeah. That's super cool. Yeah. One of the guys in our network is really passionate about the elephants and the conservation and going against these poachers because it's, it's a horrible thing over there.
I mean, I, I, I learned way more about it than I, than I ever, ever knew you could know about that stuff. But the cool thing is, is the drones have done, again, it's, it's really led the charge there and saved, you know, hundreds of, of elephants, dozens of herds.
You got to explain how this is done because you're thinking, okay, there's drones up in the air, there's elephants on the ground, there's poaches on the ground. How did the drones save the elephants? Right.
They use, they essentially use two different types of drones. They use some fixed wing drones that are used for essentially mapping the areas and trying to identify where the poachers are and then track where the elephants are and where they're going.
And if the poachers and the elephants ever start to, what appears to merge on the same path where they could possibly, you know, interact, then they use different drones and they fly out and these are essentially herding drones.
So think of like a cattle dogs with cattle, but these are aerial drones that hurt, help herd the elephants. And the way they do it is, is really amazing because the, the elephants have incredible sense of smell.
And what they, what they've learned is that by dropping these cayenne pepper bombs, essentially, you know, these, these, these, these, as a hot pepper, man, yeah, just hot pepper powder.
他们学到的是,通过投掷辣椒粉炸弹,就像一种辣椒粉那样的热辣椒,他们可以有效地打击敌人。
And the elephants can smell that for up to two miles away. So they can remotely herd the direction of the elephants based on the wind and by dropping these remote, you know, these little cayenne pepper balloons is essentially what they are. The elephants don't want to be near the cayenne pepper. Exactly. And so they can, they can guide it away.
And the great thing is is because the human sense is not even near what the elephants are. The poachers don't even have a clue what's going on.
而最棒的是,因为人类的感官与大象相比实在是差太远了,所以偷猎者根本不知道正在发生什么。
And they're just, they, they have a hard time finding the elephants. And, you know, and then they can also send the, the game wardens and stuff over to, to try and track the, the poachers and stuff.
他们很难找到大象。他们可以派游猎管理员去追踪偷猎者。
But the, the great thing about it is since they've incorporated the drones into this, they've eliminated the fact of the elephant of it all being kind of, it's proactive now instead of waiting for the poachers to actually kill the elephants, catch them red handed and stuff.
Now they can, they get all this data on the way that the poachers are tracking the elephants. And, you know, they can, and, and they're getting, they're able to catch these guys and prevent these, you know, these four beautiful animals from being murdered.
And I share how the, the mechanism of the release of the cayenne pepper. I go ahead and tell the world, Damon, tell the world. I just, I just think it's so cool.
我来跟大家分享一下辣椒素释放的机制,我觉得它真的很棒,Damon,我告诉全世界!
So we, they tested all kinds of different things. And the problem was the cayenne pepper was so, I guess, so potent that it was, it was eating through and destroying all the, everything that they tried to use.
So different types of balloons, different gloves, you know, even, even thin plastic, you know, little bubbles and stuff that they made. It would eat through it all.
不同类型的气球,不同的手套,甚至是薄薄的塑料,小气泡之类的东西,它都会腐蚀掉。
And they finally found out the one thing that it would actually hold it and, and wouldn't eat through it were condoms.
最终,他们发现唯一能保持它的东西并且不会穿透它的是避孕套。
So they actually filled it, they filled condoms with cayenne pepper and that's the mechanism they use to drop these little, these little bombs of cayenne pepper to herd the elephants to keep them alive, which is pretty cool. That's wild.
So are you hearing of a new instance every day where a drone is doing something to push health care ahead or, you know, you mentioned the dog, you mentioned the elephant, other animals, like, is this something that's surprising you now? Because when you went into it, you might not have figured that they'd be dropping cayenne pepper and think, God, them's down on elephants. Exactly.
So what I say is, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm never surprised but continually amazed because I, every, every place, every time I turn around, there's some new application of drones.
I mean, they've identified over 300 what they call kind of vertical markets or, or divisions or areas that drones provide services.
我是说,他们已经确定了超过300个他们所谓的垂直市场、部门或领域,无人机为这些地方提供服务。
And that number just keeps growing literally day by day.
这个数字真的一天比一天增长,而且还在持续增长。
You know, in a medical field, I mean, outside of the, the obvious stuff of the drug delivery and, and, you know, even testing, like some of the larger universities or that have multiple campuses and stuff, they can actually deliver these test samples and result, well, the results are electronic, but actually get the specimens and stuff delivered by drone.
What would normally take 30 minutes to walk it across campus or something can literally be done in a minute now. And, and some of that stuff, it really, it makes a big difference.
通常步行穿过校园需要30分钟的路程,现在只需一分钟即可完成。这些事情有些真的制造出了很大的差别。
The other thing that's really cool is there's, there's a company out of France that's working on a, it's essentially a first responder defibrillator drone.
还有一件非常酷的事情是,有一家来自法国的公司正在研发一种首次应对除颤器无人机。
So if there's, if somebody has a heart attack, whoa. This will blow your mind, Cal, because this thing, so normal response time, you know, in most, most cities is somewhere around seven to nine minutes. Seven, yeah, I thought I've actually heard up to 10 on a 911 call. Okay. And so the cool thing is is the drones can be dispatched and, you know, and from even almost from the exact same locations, like say it's a, of, of fire station, but it can be dispatched there and it can get to most places that in that same delivery area in about 90 seconds.
Wow. That's wild. So the drone land. So why they're on the phone with 911 operators and 911 operator basically says, hey, there's a, there's an emergency drone that's going to land in, in 30 seconds, go outside and grab it. So the drone lands, it's got a little handle on it. They pick it up. It's got a live feed to a surgeon to a doctor. They bring it in. It's got EKG things on so they can actually, the doctor, there's a speaker on the drone. So the doctor can communicate to whoever's there, you know, unbuttoned shirt of the patient, stick this here, stick this there. Okay. He's experienced a heart attack, there's a built-in defibrillator in the drone, they guide them on what to do and how to do that. And they can actually diagnose and oftentimes, recessitate a person under ideal circumstances in less than two and a half minutes from the call to, to the whole thing, which is before the first responder would even get there in almost every circumstance.
And you really open in my ears as well in my eyes because it just sounds so applicable to any emergency because you're always going to get there faster. There's no red lights. You're just zooming through the sky and making a straight line. I don't know how you'd get there any faster. Yeah, yeah. I mean, other than start track times when we start to transport, right? Wow. That's pretty much as the crow flies. There's just so many, so many different applications and so many things that can be done and that are coming. It's, you know, it's just, it's truly exciting. And, you know, one of the things I love about this industry is the, you know, unlike AI, which is a huge disruptive industry and, you know, drones, I think are a massive disruptive industry too, probably the biggest one I'll see in my lifetime. I mean, that I can participate in, right? Like, you know, the advent of cell phones or personal computers, I was alive, but I was in no position to participate in that.
And the cool thing with the drones is you don't need like AI. You need, you know, hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to play in that playground. But on the, you know, with the drone side, you don't need a lot of money to get in there. And you can make a big impact. And that's the great thing. That's what I think is so great having all these small players that are so passionate about their projects, whether it's environmental stuff or if it's on the healthcare side or, you know, whether it's on the, you know, search and rescue or, you know, on inspection side or agriculture or whatever it is. And they have all these, these, these little microcosms of development that comes out. And it's just, it's just moving at a pace that's just unbelievable.
And at that, that didn't even include like the, like Uber, Uber has a division of their company called Uber Air. And they were actually buying up a lot of the, you know, the Clover Leafs that are, you know, when you, in the big cities where you exit the highways and they just loop right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that land in the, it's in a Clover Leaf that you can't access anywhere. And they were buying up these Clover Leafs. So imagine it's going to, there's going to be relay stations, almost like bus stations because the drones will have limited space. But you'll be able to be in these autonomous piloted drones. It'll be air taxis essentially. And the cool thing is, is like you can go from LA to San Francisco in like 45 minutes, you know, versus what it would normally take you at, and at a fraction of the cost. So there's just, there's lots, lots of cool amazing things that are coming out.
And to me, it's frustrating because I, I see all of it and it just seems like it's moving slow, but it's, you know, it's still moving pretty quickly.
我觉得很沮丧,因为我看到了所有事情,但是似乎它们进展得很慢,但实际上它们仍然在相当快速地前进。
Why would somebody call up Sky Eye? What would they want from your company? We serve, I guess kind of three different areas. So, so one, we teach people about drones. So we have a, we have a training division where we teach people how to fly drones. And then also how to, how they could, if they wanted to learn how to, to start a business and start flying commercially, how to get commercially licensed. Because it is highly regulated, you have to have an FAA licensed to fly a drone. I mean, you're still flying an aircraft and national airspace. And so that's one division is kind of the training division.
We also work with companies that are looking at incorporating drones into their business, whether it's a, a power line company and they want to incorporate into inspections or oil and gas or whatever it is. And some of these companies want to do, they want to bring it in-house where they have their own training and we can help them to identify the best way to do that and help them develop that. Or some of them, they just want to outsource it. You know, they want to, they, they want to just have it subcontracted out and, and, and that's something that we can create certifications based on their parameters. We've got thousands of thousands of pilots in our networks. So then we can, we can create that certification, have our pilots become certified. And then we can help them fulfill those services and, and do that themselves.
I always remember the words of my friend and mentor Larry King, the broadcaster, who said, nobody loves the hurricane more than the weatherman. Because everybody comes to look at the weatherman. When, when some kind of tornado or hurricane is coming to you, like find yourself getting juiced up. Uh, yes and no. Yeah. So I guess like I, I hate to see it because I hate seeing all the devastation and destruction and how sad people are. And on the flip side of that, I know how much that we get to help people and, and, and the, the impact we have in just that, that, that little bit. And, and how much the technology helps. So, so that's the part I like. And I, I won't say I get jazzed about it, but I almost feel like it's kind of, you know, our, our responsibility or duty to do that. And, and the part I do love is the, you know, the end result of helping people, like saving that dog. I mean, I'm a big dog lover. I've got two, two dogs myself. I need to.
Yeah. I just, you know, I just doing that was, you know, with all the dogs we saved. I mean, that was kind of the most dramatic one, but that, that's just, that's just, I mean, I remember it to this day. I mean, it's still, you know, I can remember every, every bit of it. And like that, that guy who's life we saved, you know, that was, that was lost. And, you know, it's just those little impacts. And I know how much, like, you know, both my parents are gone, but, you know, how much I enjoyed the time we had together and how thankful I was for that. And how much that would mean to have another couple days or weeks or months with them. And just that, and knowing that maybe in some kind of roundabout way that we can, we can help that and bring that to someone is, you know, it's just super exciting to me.
Well, I got to say, you got me jazzed up about all this. And I was never a technology guy. But you know what? I'm hearing about robots making relationships with people 90 years old. I'm hearing about these drones dropping condoms filled with cayenne pepper to save elephants. I mean, if you love a story, you gotta love this. So please, let's stay in touch because, you know, if six months from now, you may be telling me a whole new panorama of stories. I guarantee I will. Yep. Yeah, that would be great. I love that.
All right. Well, keep doing the great work. And just know that when you were excited guy who was a technofob, only a few years ago, you're doing good. Awesome, Kowloon. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks so much, Damon. We'll see you down the tracks. Awesome.
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